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So we're supposed to have a more collaborative spirit, and be less resentful, and keep in mind that approximately half the country disagrees with us. In addition, we need to keep all these things in mind, and be all cooperative and everything while we also keep in mind that most of you feel that Bush was elected by "a people" that: 1. are stupid non-intellectuals 2. are un-read 3. are neo-nazi candidates 4. are sheep willing to be led by a neo-nazi 5. all the above 6. all that and worse. If anybody has resentment, it sounds like you guys are full of it because Kerry lost. Why is it then so hard for you to understand our resentment for all the negative generalized comments here about anyone who does not adhere to your ideas and opinions? I understand the concept of lively disagreement, and think that is one of the greatest things about America. But most of these posts seem like intolerance, and that smacks of other countries in years past. It seems like I'm hearing quite clearly that there is no way that a person can be a good person, a caring parent, a thinking individual and be a conservative (or more specifically, vote for Bush). Paul Mills |
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I think the people that voted for bush are very, very afraid. Afraid of alien attacks, terrorism, AND change. Afraid that some of the hatred that foreign policy has been sewing could be harvested while being in low guard... Hans Mues |
3D Audio wrote on Mon, 08 November 2004 15:48 | ||
I'm not afraid. I have peace in the midst of the world's turmoil. |
Nika Aldrich wrote on Mon, 08 November 2004 16:41 |
In Poly Sci classes we studied the election of 1800. It was pretty brutal. There were others as well - The Lincoln/Douglas debates showed how nasty the election of 1860 was, and there were others in the late 1800s that were pretty bad. Nika. |
3D Audio wrote on Mon, 08 November 2004 10:48 | ||
I'm not afraid. I have peace in the midst of the world's turmoil. |
Fletcher wrote on Mon, 08 November 2004 11:25 |
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Brent wrote on Mon, 08 November 2004 11:38 |
...believes that birth starts at conception, but murder is ok? |
JamSync wrote on Mon, 08 November 2004 11:39 | ||||
I agree. "Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once. Of all the wonders that I yet have heard. It seems to me most strange that men should fear; Seeing that death, a necessary end, Will come when it will come." Shakespeare, "Julius Caesar" |
Brent wrote on Mon, 08 November 2004 14:38 |
If any of you doubt that abortion is "a mother's choice" and not murder, I will be happy to get you into see one in person the next time that you are out in CA. |
i dig music wrote on Mon, 08 November 2004 21:29 |
Well, eventually Lance and Steve ask if they can arrange a play-date with your boys as well as others in the hood. Then they want to do sleep overs and away trips. it seems Lance and Steve just love having all the boys around. Fletcher, what will you say then? |
lucey wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 00:50 | ||
I'm not Fletcher but I'll say this ... You're an evil friggin bigot and I hope you rot in a hell that drives you insane. You're also a coward, homophobic and un American. Freedom is hard asshole .. you will have to TEACH your kids tolerance and acceptance. And teach then that gay humans have existed since the dawn of time. Get over it. As for their parenting and influence on your community: A gay couple is not going to make your or my boys gay, nor are they going to molest them. They are going to set a frigggin example for love and parenting! Why? Because EVERYONE is watching them and to adopt they had to jump through hoops your lazy ass would never succeed to do. Look at spousal abuse, and child abuse, and divorce! Straight people are messed up PLENTY! Like TAKE A NUMBER! Want to fix marriage? ... get the world's men neutered or make divorce illegal. Your ignorance and fear is ruining this country. Damn! As for the church ... START PAYING TAXES! Larry Flint was right 30 years ago when he wrote of this in Hustler. A visionary ... he knew men want to look at pussy long before the internets figgured it out. And if you so-called Christians "respect life" then stop killing prisoners in Texas (like 153 of them, especially when the Pope calls) and Iraqi civilians by the 10s of thousands. Jesus H Christ. |
maarvold wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 11:12 |
3. While we're at it, doesn't 380 tons of EXTREMELY highly explosive material qualify as a "weapon of mass destruction?" Or am I being too unreasonable? |
maarvold wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 11:12 |
2. Get over it: your candidate didn't "meet his burden". Based on a lot of what I've read and heard, it is assumed that anyone who didn't vote for Kerry is in love with GWB. Totally not true. There were times (a few) where Kerry appeared 'presidential', but he never convinced me that he had a rudder; he was all over the place. This was a problem I could not get past. |
Gideon wrote on Mon, 08 November 2004 22:21 | ||||||
"You are, however, master of my dead body, take it." Epictetus on Tyranny (from the Discourses translated by W.A. Oldfather, Loeb Classic Library) |
i dig music wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 10:41 |
There is more to this then meets the eye. |
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Even though I agree that what people do behind close doors is their own business and no one else's, it has nothing to do with marriage and everything to do with redefining the family unit and family laws for a group that has a different sexual preference then the vast majority. |
3D Audio wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 12:20 | ||||||||
What a great quote. I'll remember that one. |
i dig music wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 11:26 |
I really don't appreciate your hi strung verb-age, so, let's just agree to respectively disagree. |
i dig music wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 14:26 |
Brian, I really don't appreciate your hi strung verb-age, so, let's just agree to respectively disagree. |
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Well, eventually Lance and Steve ask if they can arrange a play-date with your boys as well as others in the hood. Then they want to do sleep overs and away trips. it seems Lance and Steve just love having all the boys around. |
Brent wrote on Mon, 08 November 2004 11:38 |
I am a republican, I did vote for Bush, but only because of the stance on abortion. Kerry talks out of his crack. He says that he has morals, is a Catholic, believes that birth starts at conception, but murder is ok? |
barefoot wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 00:57 | ||
Brent, I hear yah, but you know this abortion thing is small potatoes! Did you know that every fertility clinic in the country is murdering thousands of babies a year!!!? In vitro fertilization, it's genocide man! Maybe we should form a protest group? Then we can picket outside those evil clinics and expose them for the death camps they are. And when we see the legions hypocritical church going couples walking into the clinics, we can yell "baby killers!" |
Brent wrote on Mon, 08 November 2004 14:38 |
It blows me away that the same people that claim to be enlightened have not bothered to read the first and only text book used in the very first schools here in the US. I am a republican, I did vote for Bush, but only because of the stance on abortion. Kerry talks out of his crack. He says that he has morals, is a Catholic, believes that birth starts at conception, but murder is ok? If any of you doubt that abortion is "a mother's choice" and not murder, I will be happy to get you into see one in person the next time that you are out in CA. My brother is a doctor. We treat animals with better care. Also, ask yourself why that stupid bastard in CA is being charged for dumping his wife and unborn child into the lake? Is it only a child and murder if someone else does it? I am not a freako republican that is afraid of things. That statement was most uneducated. That talk is what makes the democrats look like morons, which they all are not. I am for all of the government that was originally intended...protection from foriegn aggression, promotion of longevity/well being. |
David Schober wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 05:50 |
You're exactly correct. Which is why the Vatican is opposed to both proceedures. While you may think you validated abortion by equating it with IVF, you actually have shown both to be what they are. At least IVF is an attempt to create life and give couples children who cannot otherwise have them. Personally, I'd prefer to see them adopt, but I must admit, I've not walked in their shoes. |
maarvold wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 11:12 |
My personal bottom line(s) for Democrats & Liberals: 1. "You will catch more flies with honey than you will with vinegar". If your agenda is anything more constructive than venting, you will be more persuasive to many if you abandon your doctrine of hate. 2. Get over it: your candidate didn't "meet his burden". Based on a lot of what I've read and heard, it is assumed that anyone who didn't vote for Kerry is in love with GWB. Totally not true. There were times (a few) where Kerry appeared 'presidential', but he never convinced me that he had a rudder; he was all over the place. This was a problem I could not get past. And--about 2 days before the election--I really wanted to. But it's about hearts AND minds and he didn't meet his burden. 3. While we're at it, doesn't 380 tons of EXTREMELY highly explosive material qualify as a "weapon of mass destruction?" Or am I being too unreasonable? |
maarvold wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 12:28 |
Why would I want to Private Message you when you launched your half-baked scud missiles at me in a public forum? Don't think that your actions won't have consequences. |
lucey wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 12:18 |
And speaking of 'final count' it's no shock that Diebold, a Bush supporter and maker of Voting Machines, who was "unable" to get a paper reciept out of their machines ... has some major descrepencies here in Ohio. In Gahanna (pronounced: Ga Han Na) there were around 650 votes cast and around 4000 for Bush. |
David Schober wrote on Fri, 12 November 2004 10:18 |
Old news-and no news. That was a misreported event where some provisional ballots that were supposed to be allocated statewide got put one county. Besides, and don't you think that if there were any validity to this that you'd at least hear Al Gore and Terry McAuliffee screaming, much less the Kerry camp? |
"The fifty-plus years before that they had complete control of both houses and during most of that time there were Democrat presidents."
Ah, yes, more Republican math:
Eisenhower: 8 years;
Nixon/Ford: 8 years;
Reagan: 8 years;
Bush #1: 4 years.
Total: 28 years. It certainly looks like Republican math to make 28 less than "most of that" fifty years.
Of course, a different way to look at it would be to consider the Republican mantra of fiscal responsibility:
Nixon/Ford: Rising deficits;
Reagan: Skyrocketing deficits;
Bush #1: Rising deficits;
Bush #2: Skyrocketing deficits.
Cordially,
Tom
David Schober wrote on Sun, 14 November 2004 15:14 |
It's not just over the last fifty or so years that the Dems have had control of all three branches most of the time...it's over the last 71 years! |
David Schober wrote on Tue, 16 November 2004 20:22 |
The election is over. You're like the Japanese soldiers still fighting the war after the peace treaty was signed. |
David Schober wrote on Sat, 20 November 2004 18:53 |
And a small correction....you keep referring to the Republicans having control over all 3 branches of govt. It's really only 2. #3, the Judicial, is more or less independent, and generally balanced. If you think they Supreme Court is conservative, you didn't read the decision on the Univ of Michigan Law School case on affirmative action....another poorly conceived liberal idea that the Supreme Court strongly sided with! |
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"Similarly, just two nights ago I saw a report on TV the other night where a black college was giving freshmen students passing grades just for attending class...even if they didn't do any assignments and failed their exams. The story centered around a black professor who was fired for refusing to go along with the program. Imagine! You can't be fired for being an incompetent teacher, where kids aren't learning...but you can be fired for requiring students to actually do the work!" |
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"Don't even get me going about forced busing." |
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"After chastising,...you have the obligation to get your facts straight." |
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"Liberal unions have made it illegal for fire fighters to give the same physical requirements to women as men. This idiotic idea risks the lives of those of us who need help." |
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"The welfare state has proven to be a pit of quicksand trapping generations of young minorities to repeat the cycle they were raised in. Despite the billiions spent, these kids are worse then when welfare started." |
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"Here's an interesting thing you can look at. Go to the iTunes music store and click on the Billboard Hot 100 Charts for the year. Start anywhere you want prior to 1990 or so and start clicking the year...Now start moving forward in time to 2003. Notce anything? The number of explicit notices from 2000 goes up dramatically. From none, to 2003, which had either a "clean" (as if you don't know what's being said) or an "Explicit" label. In 2003 there were 11 out of the top 28 with this "status." Young Buck is now being sought for stabbing somone at an awards show. Rappers kill each other. An art exhibit with elephant dung on an image of the Virgin Mary. "Piss Christ" a bottle containing a Crucifix in urine. I'm aware enough to know that some music doesn't speak to me." |
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"I'm not a fan of everything Bush as done," |
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"the Judicial, is more or less independent, and generally balanced. " |
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"Correct me if I'm wrong anyone, but the issue of busing was never that black kids were bussed out of their neighborhoods to another, poorer school. Back in the 50s kids went to their own, neighborhood schools. " |
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"You did the same on the firefighter issue. You must have some issue yourself because you started accusing me of lying about that. Sorry....no lie uttered." |
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"As for statistics...I have no obligation to provide them." |
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"Tom, now really. You gotta do better than that. You've made so many straw man arguments if anyone tossed you a match you'd disappear into a big fireball." |
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"Now as for your sexuality...I have no idea what the heck you're talking about. You raised this. Seems like you're baiting the discussion," |
David Schober wrote on Sat, 20 November 2004 18:53 |
"Liberals have just been ruining America, eh?" Yes...absolutely. The idea that anyone would allow partial-birth abortion is unconscionable. |
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Liberals have given power to the teacher's unions so an incompetent teacher can keep their job at the expense of the student. (And don't go carping about No Child Left Behind. I have a family of educators in TX that, to their frustration, are dealing with massive improvements to the education system thanks to NCLB. I'll be happy to discuss that in another post if anyone wants.) I remember years ago when I lived in LA, the LA Times did a story on the fact that the LA Unified School district had too many failing students. Their plan to fix this problem? Stop giving failing grades! From then on, nobody got a grade below a "C." You may think I'm joking, but this was no joke. Liberal education beliefs have said we can't tell a student they got an answer wrong. Because it might hurt their self-esteem. Thus, in some classes 2+2 can equal 5. |
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Liberal unions have made it illegal for fire fighters to give the same physical requirements to women as men. This idiotic idea risks the lives of those of us who need help. If you're ever in a burning building and need to be carried out, you'll be praying for a man to be the one to rescue you instead of a woman who couldn't do the strength requirements. |
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The welfare state has proven to be a pit of quicksand trapping generations of young minorities to repeat the cycle they were raised in. Despite the billiions spent, these kids are worse then when welfare started. To his credit, Clinton jumped on the conservative band wagon and made it his own. Over the objections of his own party. |
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Liberal lawyers like John Edwards have made OB doctors opt for a C-section in record numbers due to the massive chance of a lawsuit....driving up medical costs for everyone. Shall I go on? |
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How about music and art? Here's an interesting thing you can look at. Go to the iTunes music store and click on the Billboard Hot 100 Charts for the year. Start anywhere you want prior to 1990 or so and start clicking the year. If your screen is like mine, you'll see the top 28 or so songs for the year. Now start moving forward in time to 2003. Notce anything? The number of explicit notices from 2000 goes up dramatically. From none, to 2003, which had either a "clean" (as if you don't know what's being said) or an "Explicit" label. In 2003 there were 11 out of the top 28 with this "status." Young Buck is now being sought for stabbing somone at an awards show. Rappers kill each other. An art exhibit with elephant dung on an image of the Virgin Mary. "Piss Christ" a bottle containing a Crucifix in urine. I'm aware enough to know that some music doesn't speak to me. And that some art is a tough thing to understand. But sometimes, like the art exhitibit with the elephant dung, it's just shit. I'm not for censorship and I've been known to use a good word or two. But what's bothersome is the modern liberal culture that ses this stuff and says, "Yeah! That's art!" But in 300 years that society will look back on us and see this crap is representative of the best we could offer?? |
sixtiksix wrote on Mon, 22 November 2004 18:44 |
Chris Rock...intelligent? |
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Dude what the fukk does being a white male have to do with your political views? |
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What are Mr. Powell's views? |
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Condi? |
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What the fukk are you talking about....what the fukk does slavery have to do with anything... |
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Partial Birth...manipulation... |
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Most murder is crime of passion....for drugs?.... |
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Dude I thought you were maybe just opinionated...but now I see you're French... |
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News Flash....capitalism is a direct result of freedom....uh hello.... |
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I think when you said this society is a fukked up mess it became clear that you're just not a happy camper.... |
David Schober wrote on Tue, 23 November 2004 22:43 |
You're of course correct. There is no birth per se. But I'm not sure you totally understand what PBA is. If you'd care to invent another term, I'll go with it and we can discuss it with this new name. However, changing the name doesn't sanitize the proceedure to make it somehow morally right. Care to argue the morality of the issue instead of terms? |
sixtiksix wrote on Wed, 24 November 2004 09:00 |
As my counterpoint I would just like to submit your last post as my argument.... |
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Chris Rock: highly intelligent counter to our government... |
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Prostitution, Drugs, Gambling, Abortion the honored values... |
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Condi and Colin have no value as professionals or role models they aren't "keeping it real" |
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I think you have finally won me over. I can finally totally detach from reality....and start worshiping people for what they say and not what they do... |
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Stop demonizing crack dealers.....classic |
David Schober wrote on Wed, 24 November 2004 18:19 |
If you're meaning that advances in science which allow us to kill each other is good, merely because we created the process, then I'll have to totally disagree with you on that. But to the question I asked. I'm looking for a liberal, progressive, whatever they want to call themselves that will at least acknowledge that PBA is an inhuman proceedure and shoud be banned. So far I've yet to find one. |