seedyunderbelly.com wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 18:04 |
Does that mean everybody is not going to be rich? |
John Ivan wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 18:35 |
We should perhaps move this to the Saloon, where if you would like, I would be happy to comment further on this subject.. I think "Whatever Works" might be the wrong place however, because I don't have much good to say about the subject..{depending on who you are} Ivan................ |
Fiasco wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 18:48 | ||
John, I only posted this here because this is where the thread originated. As always I am interested to hear your thoughts. |
Paul Cavins wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 19:03 |
Hey, don't leave us hanging out here. I smells me some juicy post'ns!!! PC |
dguidry wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 18:40 |
....just like attracting flies to rotting flesh. Ya'll are just too easy. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 19:43 |
I know nothing of what is being discussed, but as to litigation, I wouldn't worry about it until it actually happens. It is one thing to threaten to sue and another completely to take the time, trouble and cost to follow through. Barry |
Fiasco wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 19:58 |
Barry, I am not worried about it, more saddened and a little outraged. Perhaps Bill is right, a hoax. Either way threats are not treated lightly on my end. |
dguidry wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 18:40 |
....just like attracting flies to rotting flesh. Ya'll are just too easy. |
John Ivan wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 17:02 |
Much to my horror, when I got home, I realized I had filed a Lawsuit against myself! It wasn't easy, but I got me to drop the case against me.. It was, well, just weird. |
John Ivan wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 17:02 |
Much to my horror, when I got home, I realized I had filed a Lawsuit against myself! It wasn't easy, but I got me to drop the case against me.. It was, well, just weird. |
Tom L wrote on Wed, 15 October 2008 12:24 | ||
It must have still cost you a fortune in legal fees, unless of course you represented yourselves. |
Bill Mueller wrote on Wed, 15 October 2008 12:36 | ||||
Puleeeze! That would be crazy! Everyone knows you should NEVER represent yourselves in court. Best regards, Bill |
John Ivan wrote on Tue, 14 October 2008 18:38 |
I also believe it is lawful to make his public postings known to whomever one chooses. Ivan................ |
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LRS 14:47. Defamation Defamation is the malicious publication or expression in any manner, to anyone other than the party defamed, of anything which tends: (1) To expose any person to hatred, contempt, or ridicule, or to deprive him of the benefit of public confidence or social intercourse; or (2) To expose the memory of one deceased to hatred, contempt, or ridicule; or (3) To injure any person, corporation, or association of persons in his or their business or occupation. Whoever commits the crime of defamation shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars, or imprisoned for not more than six months, or both. Amended by Acts 1968, No. 647, Post by: ktownson on October 15, 2008, 03:45:23 PM Consider it a free lesson in the entertainment biz and move on. There are a lot more dangerous creatures lurking down that road. Post by: Vertigo on October 15, 2008, 03:50:15 PM *shudder* -Lance Post by: John Ivan on October 15, 2008, 03:56:27 PM Ivan................ Post by: duckhunter on October 15, 2008, 04:00:16 PM
Much has changed since the early days. Behind those "blankets" are 2 inch isolation panels that have since been installed permanently and in a rather more attractive fashion. The only remaining mic you see in that photo is the 57 on the snare. Don't knock the tv...its the drummer's camera monitor to the vocal booth, control room, and live room...works like a champ with wireless cameras and split screens for everyone. Post by: fiasco ( P.M.DuMont ) on October 15, 2008, 04:00:24 PM I think you would have to first prove that you in fact have any character. As far as aiming this at me, I called you a liar because you commented that you knew this "deal" was onerous, and would have never been put on the table. To that, I still think you are a liar. Post by: bblackwood on October 15, 2008, 04:07:22 PM Honestly, this whole situation is so silly I'm inclined to believe it's a hoax. Post by: duckhunter on October 15, 2008, 04:09:38 PM
I've handled many Medical Malpractice cases. I can attest to how expensive they are. There is an economic threshold of value for a case, below which the case is not worth the expense no matter how egregious the negligence. I am sorry about that, but you can thank the insurance industry for that inequity. Post by: John Ivan on October 15, 2008, 04:11:42 PM I don't know man.. I go back and forth on this.. It could be a hoax. But why would someone do this? At any rate, I'll be happy to argue the case. I will remain calm in doing so too. I promise. Ivan................... Post by: fiasco ( P.M.DuMont ) on October 15, 2008, 04:26:31 PM
A calm Ivan is a convincing Ivan. Post by: rnicklaus on October 15, 2008, 04:37:19 PM <<dguidry wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 15:06 In all seriousness, this is the real deal.>> <<dguidry wrote on Sun, 02 March 2008 12:01 I knew at its core it was onerous and it would never have been put on the table for consideration at all. >> This would be the big hurdle in any defamation case. Two conflicting statements by the person claiming he was defamed. One of the statements may have been reasonably believed to be true. The other statement, at that point, may be open to challenge on it's honesty. Every case needs to be brought in good faith. Filing a claim that may not be in good faith leaves an opening for attorney fees and legal costs to be recovered. Post by: duckhunter on October 15, 2008, 04:47:33 PM
Legal fees are not recoverable in Louisiana, but sometimes court costs are. I meant: "real deal" as in no kidding I am drafting a proposed contract so help me out. No one would infer in the context of my statements that this would be the final draft. I even said it was only a deal memo, which by its own definition is not binding, and you would know that only if you were a lawyer. Post by: John Ivan on October 15, 2008, 04:49:16 PM
Yes indeed. I saw this last night upon review. I maintain that "Good Faith" in putting forth a Defamation case is a problem even without these conflicting transmissions. I doubt very highly that a Judge would appreciate this arriving on his calender. He too, would be asking whether this is a hoax and I'll bet he would not be amused. At All. Ivan.............. Post by: jimlongo on October 15, 2008, 04:49:43 PM Post by: rnicklaus on October 15, 2008, 04:53:18 PM
Post by: John Ivan on October 15, 2008, 05:00:51 PM
I think it's doubtful that your language would be interpreted the way you believe it would. "In all seriousness, this is the real deal" can not mean 'Really, I need your help here'.{paraphrasing}. You would be asking the court to re-imagine how English speaking people communicate altogether. I think "Deal" refers to the contract in question. I think "Real" at least implies that that you believe it to be complete enough to offer it. Deal Memo or otherwise, I think the intent of the language used is quite clear. I'm not a Lawyer and I know that a deal memo is not binding, {in most cases. But use caution, as it's been pointed out by people who know LOTS more than me, deal memos have turned into nasty contracts over night. It happens}. Ivan....................... Post by: duckhunter on October 15, 2008, 05:35:17 PM How would you like it if I lied to the venue managers and promoters where Rare Earth plays and told them the guitar player was a drug addict and a thief? That's no different than telling my artists I am a thief and disreputable lawyer. I have never had a complaint filed against me with the bar in over 25 year of practice...a rarity for an attorney. I don't think you contacted my artists, but you incited others to do so and that was ethically wrong. Post by: John Ivan on October 15, 2008, 06:03:54 PM
My Full Name is : John Ivan Greilick. My Mom started the Ivan bit years ago, then we started a band called "The Trouble With Johnny" and so Johnny stuck for a while. Then, in 1990{?} {God, I'm getting old}, we went to L.A. And rehearsed a Band named "Filth Eater", a nod to some Aztec Goddess that consumes your sins before you die? I guess? and we Rehearsed at "Audible" in Burbank for months on end it seemed, while we played the strip at night. Crazy days. It was lots of fun, I guess. Anyway, that's when I zipped all the hair off my head and the name Ivan was back for good.. Some people just call me HEY! Um, I don't know who Mitchum and Bower are off the top of my head. I take it we played a show where these guys are promoters? Or Agents? I don't know.. What I do know though is that I never told anyone you were a thief or a disreputable Lawyer. Never. I am willing to state here and now though, that I seriously question your judgment based only upon what I've read here in this public Forum. Now, I don't understand what you are all up in arms about. I've been asking you this question for quite some time now. If your reputation as a Layer,a Producer, an Engineer or what ever you fancy yourself as these days is so fragile that you can't bare hearing apposing opinions based on what YOU write, then I don't know what to tell you. You came here looking for answers. You got them. You don't like them. Someone in Law School has you convinced that this is grounds for suing people. I haven't done anything to you. The idea that I "Incited" anyone to do anything is laughable. I have no problems sleeping at night. I have given my opinion at your request. You know this. You just don't like what I said, that's all. And that's fine. If you feel that your reputation has been damaged somehow, I would suggest you take a very serious look at how and why this happened. You came here and outlined the most unethical deal anyone here has ever seen, and then back pedaled on whether or not you were being serious. The fact that people might have pointed this out to the rest of the world is something you should not be crying about. What did you think would happen? Ivan.................. Post by: rankus on October 15, 2008, 06:04:19 PM
Worth repeating. Use caution. Memos can be binding depending on the wording. Any "napkin note" implying intent is a contract. Post by: rnicklaus on October 15, 2008, 06:08:56 PM
Post by: John Ivan on October 15, 2008, 06:10:24 PM
Yeah, it's cute stuff. I don't get it. Ivan................. Post by: RSettee on October 15, 2008, 07:51:38 PM
I'd find a "self production" vs "self lawyering" debate mighty funny about now.....should you produce yourself? Should you represent yourself in court? Bwahahhaaaa... Post by: RSettee on October 15, 2008, 07:53:55 PM Post by: Hallams on October 15, 2008, 08:31:47 PM
None of my business all of this stuff ( exept i don't like to see this small net community pulled down to the muddy level of the rule of law) ...... but from sitting back here on the other side of the Pacific, this threat of litigation resulting from what has developed on this thread, is the personification of a cultural malaise that has diminished the quality of life and interpersonal relationships in the good ol USA. My gut response is to declare "shame on you" Mr dguidry, but i'm really not into shaming anyone. Im much more inclined to ask you to read the signature at the bottom of Ross Hogarths posts and put it into practice when you grace this forum with your presence. If you tried to pull a stunt like this , on this side of the Pacific ...... we would tell you to piss off and get a life. Post by: John Ivan on October 15, 2008, 08:32:36 PM
Man, there's something about this cats look! My man aint playin' no GAMES! Jeez, he/she? is one serious cat! Ivan......................... Post by: RSettee on October 15, 2008, 09:24:51 PM
Heh, yeah, "serious cat" is a bit of a legend with onliners. The "Lolcats" series is pretty funny, too. Someone did an election poster photoshop thing of serious cat's face over Obama's....i'll see if I can find it, I laughed continuously for about a minute and a half. Edit: found this one instead--i'm still laughing! Post by: maxim on October 15, 2008, 09:41:51 PM as evidence, i present an email i found in my myspace inbox: "myspace.com/studio89rocks Date: 26 Apr 2008, 02:28 AM Subject: Your music sucks Body: Just an honest opinion. You cannot sing or play guitar. You have no future. End the inner torment now before its too late. The SWAMPDOCTORS" whilst you and i might agree with his assessment, you must accept that it's a very CHILDISH outburst i'm talking about DEAN GUIDRY and the SWAMPDOCTORS who? DEAN GUIDRY and the SWAMPDOCTORS google them... Post by: John Ivan on October 15, 2008, 09:53:39 PM
Nice! On top of all this other none sense,here we have a guy who can't dig "Inner City Tango".. Poor guy.. I think that your tunes are quite interesting Maxim. There is a strange and mysterious vibe about your stuff that I dig a lot.. You play guitar just fine and you have your VERY OWN singing style.. Ivan................ Post by: jetbase on October 15, 2008, 10:07:54 PM
I for one don't agree with this assessment & think your music shows talent & tells a story. To send you an e-mail like that is an extremely narrow minded & mean spirited act. Post by: maxim on October 15, 2008, 10:10:28 PM you're far too kind fortunately for me, my ego can withstand the childish outbursts from DEAN GUIDRY AND THE SWAMPDOCTORS without too much trouble... Post by: RSettee on October 15, 2008, 10:13:06 PM
What prompted this response from him? Did you send him anything, or was it just out of the blue? Post by: maxim on October 15, 2008, 11:05:48 PM i was one of the people who called DEAN GUIDRY out on his UNFAIR deal... Post by: John Ivan on October 15, 2008, 11:11:36 PM
Well, you,, you,, BAD BAD Boy you,, you SUCK!! Give up your music. Don't you know a smokin' "record Deal" when you see one? {sorry, I'm just being stupid now} Ivan......... Post by: don kerce on October 15, 2008, 11:37:29 PM "myspace.com/studio89rocks Date: 26 Apr 2008, 02:28 AM Subject: Your music sucks Body: Just an honest opinion. You cannot sing or play guitar. You have no future. End the inner torment now before its too late. The SWAMPDOCTORS" Sorry, got here a bit late for the party. Are DEAN GUIDRY and the SWAMPDOCTORS critics for The New York Times or Downbeat? It's tough to tell the players without a scorecard. d Post by: RSettee on October 15, 2008, 11:58:59 PM
That's crappy. So the in thing to do is MySpace someone about how they don't like their music? Lame. What's next? A bathroom wall with "sucks" spelled "sux"? Post by: John Ivan on October 16, 2008, 12:10:55 AM
No No, they're critics for OK http://www.okmagazine.com/home/ Ivan................... Post by: rnicklaus on October 16, 2008, 12:36:26 AM Post by: ScotcH on October 16, 2008, 12:06:42 PM
Brilliant! Quoted for EmphASSis ps: DEAN GUIDRY and the SWAMPDOCTORS Post by: duckhunter on October 16, 2008, 12:21:01 PM Post by: rnicklaus on October 16, 2008, 01:27:59 PM
Post by: mgod on October 16, 2008, 01:40:58 PM
Dean, you've unequivocally accused John here of inciting others to do something and you have no proof. I believe this meets the definition of defamation. Would you like to just send him a check now and save time on the legal proceedings? John, how much do you think Dean owes you for defaming your character in a public forum like this? That sort of damage would be worth A LOT to me. Certainly as much as an amateur studio is worth. Do we really believe this guy (or 11-year-old kid) is a lawyer? Wouldn't a lawyer know better? DS Post by: rankus on October 16, 2008, 01:50:27 PM
+1 .... PS: Isn't it banning time yet? Post by: fiasco ( P.M.DuMont ) on October 16, 2008, 01:51:13 PM From your email sent to me: "I have narrowed down the possible culprits who contacted my prospective production deal artists and interfered with our contract negotiations, to you and three others..." I would love to know how you figured this one out. Post by: duckhunter on October 16, 2008, 02:07:56 PM
....motive, context and inference. Post by: bblackwood on October 16, 2008, 02:12:22 PM
I find it disturbing that anyone from this forum is sending threatening emails to other members of the board. Dean, you're on notice. You need to chill out. Do whatever you wish to do, but stop threatening the members here or you're gone. Post by: fiasco ( P.M.DuMont ) on October 16, 2008, 02:23:19 PM
Laughable... ... and incorrect. Move on. Post by: rnicklaus on October 16, 2008, 02:23:46 PM
Things that you allege. I'll go with Proof for 500, Alex. Post by: mgod on October 16, 2008, 02:25:19 PM
DS Post by: John Ivan on October 16, 2008, 02:30:27 PM
Well, then, you should go right ahead and file then.. Because if I wanted to, based on your ridicules threshold, I could counter sue you.. My suit would in fact meet the diversity jurisdiction requirements as the amount would FAR exceed $75,000. I'm just not stupid enough to sue someone over something so meaningless. Sir, you need to understand some things.. A{ I am the God of hell fire! {ok, not really but I'm trying to scare you} B{You are a mean person because you said someones music sucked. C{ I'm a mean person too now, and I think your everything sucks. D{Republicans are finished for a while and this makes me happy E{Only certain types of coffee beans work for very strong coffee F{It can be hard to REALLY tell when a Banana is truly ready to eat G{Based on the photographic evidence, you should stay away from recording Drum kits. Go in peace with this wisdom my son.. "Rockin' and a rollin', is only howling at the moon."-Steve Walsh Ivan.............. Post by: John Ivan on October 16, 2008, 02:31:50 PM
Um, ah,, YREAH!! What about this bastard here? He did it! He did it!! I'm telling MMMMOOOOMM!! sorry, Ivan............ Post by: Vertigo on October 16, 2008, 02:40:24 PM
Sorry Dean, I shouldn't have ragged on your drum room. That was snarky of me and I do apologize. But to be honest; the TV, the packing blankets, the milk crates, and the sm57's are NOT the immediate problems I see with that setup... And as long as I'm being honest, I think your productions sound amateurish and poor. Your vocals in particular sound like they were recorded through a boom box from 5 feet away. Good job on the guitars though, which makes me wonder if the person who did those recordings was a guitarist himself. I also think you'd probably find far more profit from developing your production skills than filing frivolous lawsuits against random strangers on the internet. And the fact that you're pursuing this now, 7 months after the issue in question is just bizarre. Are you related to Jack Ortman? I swear you could be his brother. -Lance Post by: fiasco ( P.M.DuMont ) on October 16, 2008, 02:42:27 PM Post by: duckhunter on October 16, 2008, 02:42:45 PM Post by: duckhunter on October 16, 2008, 03:02:13 PM
On some of the productions, particularly with vox, I struggle with the convolution IR1 reverb settings, and on occasion I too think the result is a bit boxy sounding. Parallel compression phasing where I was lazy about latency compensation may have also contributed. On the song "I Was a Fool" by Sugarhouse, that production sounded at least as good as the Tab Benoit album's production, at which I was aiming, and maybe better. All in all, I think I do pretty darn good for a part timer who probably knows more theory on recording than the average full time engineer than practical knowledge. And given the simplicity and constrictions of our facility set up, no one could do better. Post by: John Ivan on October 16, 2008, 03:11:49 PM
Oh,, there are many cats here who could come to your room and make national level recordings.. It would be a pain in the ass but it could be done ..For instance. If my side trio came in there and we did everything, and you guys left us alone for a day, you would not believe it came out of your room.. There. I said it.. You wouldn't believe it. The gear you use is really the least of your worries.. Nice gear can make a big difference but only if the other things that make a recording great are in place to begin with..This explains why there are a bunch of recordings made on 1/2" 16 track and old chipped consoles with a bunch of 57's and PZM's that sound better than everything you have ever done.. They call it skill and talent. Hey, it's not my fault. It's just true. Ivan.............. Post by: ssltech on October 16, 2008, 03:19:01 PM To that extent it's like a set of high-quality wrenches and socket-set... -The best wrenches in the world won't EVER make a good or a bad job fixing your car; -it's the MECHANIC who determines the quality of the job, -NOT the tools. -In the same way, it's the RECORDISTS (engineer/producer) who determine the standard of the work more so than the gear. Of course good mechanics adore lovely tools, but it really does more to make the task of doing the job more enjoyable, than making the job itself good or bad. At this point the oft-quoted chestnut that Sgt. Pepper was done on a 4-track is usually dragged out. Keith Post by: duckhunter on October 16, 2008, 03:40:40 PM
Give me great singers and great players and a great producer, I will produce a very good product. Put me in a great studio with the same core individuals, I bet you'd all be happy with the product. Post by: Devin Knutson on October 16, 2008, 05:36:38 PM
er... wouldn't that make YOU the producer? So... you're blaming your results on your singers, your players... and yourself? You really do seem to be suffering under more than a few fundamental misconceptions... and not just about the ethical practice of law. Post by: Barry Hufker on October 16, 2008, 06:24:44 PM With all that you'd better make a *great* product and not just a good one. There are many who can make a great product with less. Me? I'm just innocently piling on. But it's still true (for anyone). Post by: mgod on October 16, 2008, 06:41:08 PM
Threats require apologies and contrition. None to be seen. With all due respect Dean - which is none - the problem with you and Ivan in a studio wouldn't be both your egos. And it wouldn't be his. DS Post by: Bill_Urick on October 16, 2008, 06:46:50 PM I was once threatened with a lawsuit by a woman named Sue. Isn't that ironic? But seriously, don't C1000's make great overheads? You guys are just being mean. Post by: John Ivan on October 16, 2008, 07:02:01 PM
Yeah, now I'm just being silly and Bragin' up the rhythm section in my trio .. I don't see why they put with me I just could not seem to make the 1000's work.. I did a Rap guy with a 3000 though, and it hurt perfectly! It was crazy aggressive and abusive sounding.. Ivan...................... Post by: Bill_Urick on October 16, 2008, 07:33:53 PM
I did have some C1000's for a bit. Thought about keeping them to have something to blame my poor drum tracking on. After some thought it seemed wiser to get better mics and take the blame myself. I previously posited that this was a hoax. I now feel that what we have here is a classic inability to self-evaluate, coupled with a bad case of ifimentionimalawertheyllbeintimidated syndrome. Just a theory, and subject to future reevaluation. Post by: Bill Mueller on October 16, 2008, 08:10:14 PM Can I ask what you are attempting to do here? I looked at your list of posts and it appears that on February 28th, 2008 you publicly posted your "for real" contract with no encouragement from anyone else, and asked for comments from the Whatever Works forum members. You then took issue with the answers you received. The thread started here http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/319958/1339/#ms g_319958 and I have to say that I still get a kick out of reading it! Especially clause 13. That one just cracks me up! Anyway, on Sunday March 2nd, 2008 you entered your last post on that thread and later in the day Ross shut it down, if I'm not mistaken. What I'm intrigued by, is the fact that just four hours and ten minutes later, you posted the following on another WW thread.
This is certainly NOT the post of someone who believes they have been mortally wounded by the members of this forum. It appears for all the world that you have just rejoined the rank and file in a civil and potentially informative way. Then EIGHT MONTHS later you take up your sward and start slashing at the same people you have just been living with. Very curious. Did you just have a slow day? Maybe a fight with the missus? In any case, you're needlessly attacking good folks, (Max is a medical doctor) and making a pariah out of your name. You were accepted back in once before, and I imagine if you cut the crap, you would be accepted (it might take a bit longer this time) again. Now I bet you tell me that being accepted is not important to you. However we both know that it actually is. Important. Best regards, Bill Post by: J.J. Blair on October 17, 2008, 01:32:34 AM
Actually, it's the Aquarian head on the kick and that huge fucking pillow that bothers me more than the mics. Who cares what mics you use. I can only imagine how awful that sounds. Post by: John Ivan on October 17, 2008, 01:36:46 AM For me, it wasn't the mics but the strange foam 'thingies' on them.. Yeah, the pillow would have to go.. Ya know, Dean, for a price, I'll fly in and get you a drum sound.. Ivan....................... Post by: J.J. Blair on October 17, 2008, 01:42:28 AM Post by: John Ivan on October 17, 2008, 02:04:45 AM
You and I have something in common. I have worked hard on tuning drums for years and it has paid off. I like a Power stroke 3 for some sounds, and I still like coated Emperors with or without an impact pad. depending on the tune/band. I generally don't like anything in the drum, I like both heads on for most sounds, with a hole. {without a hole can be a great sound too.}, HA! We could talk about this for ever It's a blast. I love drums. Ivan............ Post by: maxim on October 17, 2008, 05:40:35 AM Important." bill, you know it (and i know it), but i'm not sure that dean is self-aware enough quite yet .... Post by: Kris on October 17, 2008, 09:47:42 AM Post by: Steve Hudson on October 17, 2008, 10:58:13 AM
A woman asked her gynecologist if she could get pregnant from having anal sex. He replied, "Sure, that's how we get lawyers." Post by: Barry Hufker on October 17, 2008, 12:04:21 PM I love it! I'm stealing it! Go ahead and sue me! Post by: Daniel Farris on October 17, 2008, 01:06:36 PM
A Crown Royal bag full of BBs or pellets can be fun. Coins work okay too. DF Post by: Barry Hufker on October 17, 2008, 02:41:07 PM Post by: Bill Mueller on October 17, 2008, 03:15:28 PM
So how many lawyers does it take to roof a house? It depends on how thin you slice them. Best regards, Bill Post by: Kris on October 17, 2008, 04:22:20 PM Post by: fiasco ( P.M.DuMont ) on October 17, 2008, 04:25:10 PM Post by: Jessica A. Engle on October 17, 2008, 04:25:49 PM (I'm late to the party, I know. They tell me it's fashionable.) Post by: fiasco ( P.M.DuMont ) on October 17, 2008, 04:30:29 PM Better late than on the other side of a lawsuit. Post by: John Ivan on October 17, 2008, 05:10:28 PM
What? Are you really being sued by this Guy? Ivan....................... Post by: fiasco ( P.M.DuMont ) on October 17, 2008, 05:25:23 PM
No, no. Just being silly... amidst the silliness. But then again I guess I don't really know. Post by: Steve Hudson on October 17, 2008, 05:27:17 PM One's a slimy, bottom-feeding scavenger with sharp barbs and a big mouth, the other's a fish. I'm here all week. Post by: rnicklaus on October 17, 2008, 06:14:56 PM Post by: duckhunter on October 22, 2008, 12:09:45 PM Post by: Larrchild on October 22, 2008, 12:20:32 PM "The songs, "Zanz Kant Danz", "The Old Man Down the Road", and "Mr. Greed" from Fogerty's album Centerfield are thinly veiled slams at Zaentz." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Zaentz Post by: Hank Alrich on October 22, 2008, 09:54:27 PM
In fairness, is there a profession in which there are no practitioners capable of unspeakable horrors? Only a few times in my life (I'll be 64 soon, and yes, she will still breed me) have I needed an attorney. Every time, I have found myself working with an outstanding human being, a very competent human of extremely high integrity. Post by: Hank Alrich on October 22, 2008, 10:00:12 PM
Maybe it's a class action kinda thing. Post by: Hank Alrich on October 22, 2008, 10:04:16 PM
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