Ronny wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 11:23 |
Why should music be free, the creation of music costs money. To become proficient at music costs time, thousands of hours of time. To write a song takes a certain amount of education. Education costs money. Capturing music costs money. Making music available so that other people can enjoy it costs money. Anyone that thinks music should be free probably has never mastered an instrument and has no insight into the complexities of the creation, production and distribution side of it. |
maxim wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 05:39 |
i have worked as a doctor since 1991, and i have never charged a patient as far as they're concerned, their medical care is free |
covert wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 11:35 |
Music should be available at cost plus. That would be, enough so that the artist is recompensed reasonably, and the people that really make the process can earn a decent living. For the most part, record company types aren't necessary to the process. The question that never seems to come up, in these discussions of downloading etc., is, Would you happily pay the artist royalty (around a nickel per song) for the stuff you take free? |
DivideByZero wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 17:37 |
You buy an 'album'. It's a harshly played acoustic guitar, with a drunk, singing flat. M |
wwittman wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 22:36 |
so then the argument becomes: should the actual recording and sale of music be a loss leader to simply promote OTHER money making activities such as t-shirt sales and live performances? |
wwittman wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 22:36 |
I think the music ITSELF should be valued more highly. |
Charles Dye wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 06:37 | ||
I find this very interesting. Could you please explain how your patients do not pay for their medical care? If you're gettin' paid, somebody's payin' for it. |
chris haines wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 17:22 |
yes, and they should start in Spain where I spent 26 American dollars to purchase the new Death Cab For Cutie, Plans. This price encourages theft and suggests that the label doesn't care if the band breaks here. |
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It's why i own no C-414s. or Steely Dan records. William Wittman Producer/Engineer (Cyndi Lauper, Joan Osborne, The Fixx, The Outfield, Hooters...) |
maxim wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 18:56 |
in australia we have free medical care there is a medicare tax |
maxim wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 16:24 |
who told you i don't [people who spent all their time playing music.] besides, would you not see a doctor or discount their opinion if they worked part-time if so, you will have a lot of trouble finding one |
electrical wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 11:55 |
This is a preposterous question. It's like asking "Should air be free?" |
electrical wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 11:55 |
Records, those cost money. Attaching music to another commercial enterprise, that costs money. Both of them still do. Concert tickets, those cost money. |
electrical wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 11:55 |
Listening to music, that's always been free. I remember leaving a concert at the tender age of 15 while the dreadful Marshall Tucker Band were still onstage. It cost me $7 to go to that concert, and $15 for the bag of weed I purchased there. I remember thinking that if I had been able to find my weed guy outside, I could have saved $7, and still heard the Marshall Tucker Band from the parking lot. |
electrical wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 11:55 |
Music itself, the audible part of music, has always been free. The artefacts and carriers of it, those cost money, and some of them always will. |
chris haines wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 20:28 |
If you want to get into the Economics of it, I'd argue that there is a demand curve for illegal downloading that looks exactly like a supply curve...higher the retail price, the more people choose to download instead of purchase... |
wwittman wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 07:17 |
But that doesn't mean it's "okay" for the profit to go out of recording; unless all you WANT is no budget, home made recording in the future. |
maxim wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 18:19 | ||
you truly are a fool methinks you haven't met many great doctors if you had, you'd know they all have hobbies you can't survive in this profession without one the best orthopaedic surgeon i know builds boats in his spare time |
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"Methinks you could self-administer a dose of serious laxative." how much do i owe you for that advice |
Kenny Gioia wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 05:51 |
No. No. No. You would not have been partaking in free music at all. You would have been stealing it. The Marshall Tucker Band was not putting on a free concert. Some others were paying for it and you (had you stayed outside) would have been stealing income from the band. |
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Furthermore, the next time they came to your town they would have to raise ticket prices to account for the potheads who were listening for free in the parking lot. |
drgonzo wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 18:48 |
You only have to look at Arctic Monkeys over here in England to see just how successful allowing your music to be freely downloaded can be. They released about 16 tracks for free on their website, loads of people downloaded them, because they weer good. They played tem to their friends. Then, the band went on tour. Played to capacity venues everywhere they went. On their first ever national tour. Then, they released a single. It went to number 1. Straight away. They sold out Brixton Academy before they even released the single, which probably made them more money than the number 1. Now they have a new album out, I'm sure its available on the internet for free. BUT I bet it still goes to number one. |
Kenny Gioia wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 21:51 |
... Air takes no time or human resources to make. Therefore it requires no compensation for it's creation. Unlike Music. I believe that the air was here before us. It will probably be here after us and it's relation to music is derisory. ... |
maxim wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 19:08 |
i'm an analog quote kinda guy you know this was a much more pleasant place to hang out before you and kenny and the other marshmen showed up |
maxim wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 18:07 |
when i grew up in soviet siberia, my brother had a huge collection of 1/4 inch tapes which were 'ripped' off the rare vinyl which made its way into ussr sometimes, it was fifth or tenth generation was it free? sure was it precious? you bet did any of the artists get a cut? no fucking way were they happy that their art made it past the iron curtain? i've no doubt |
Kenny Gioia wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 00:51 |
Air takes no time or human resources to make. Therefore it requires no compensation for it's creation. |
maxim wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 21:09 |
afraid so want to make something of it? |
maxim wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 19:08 |
i'm an analog quote kinda guy. |
Dave Davis wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 20:15 |
This is important on many levels: 1) It makes more money for the owners of songs 2) It demonstrates real benefits, and value, in better sound. 3) It creates markets for new formats, and gives the market (fans) a vote on what they prefer. 4) It's a step back from the brink, and a timely vote of confidence in fans again, to give them actual CD quality music at CD retail prices online. 5) It sets an important precedent with Apple and other online retailers, whereby some legitimately |
Charles Dye wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 23:14 |
Kenny, tell me, precisely where do you stand on killing babies? |
Kenny Gioia wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 23:33 |
How'd I do? |
DivideByZero wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 22:53 |
What about cheap music? Should cheap music be free? How about shitty music? Maybe music should cost as much as you like it. Maybe a never ending series of single-use playback licenses... and the stuff you don't like is free, and you can't lie about it, or something bad will happen. M |
Charles Dye wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 23:35 | ||
Great. Then how do explain the whole defending Bob O thing? |
Charles Dye wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 01:34 |
Well, actually, that's why am back. What did you say again? The left one was... |
Charles Dye wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 01:35 |
And how hot did you say your boyfriend liked it? |
Charles Dye wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 01:41 |
It's all camera tricks. I'm actually 4 foot 3. |
Ron Steele wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 01:52 |
Kenny, at this point, I think what many will appreciate, is you and your/you're lame ass commentary getting the fuck out of here. Do a disappearing act, and I'm positive nobody will bother to look for you. |
Kenny Gioia wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 23:08 | ||
I can't believe I'm being told by Robocop to stop acting like Robocop. What's next? Are you gonna tell Erik Gavriluk to stop stealing software? |
electrical wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 02:13 |
Charles Dye! Kenny Gioia! You are both being dicks! Take it elsewhere. |
maxim wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 02:26 |
wearing your dick on your sleeve, so to speak |
Charles Dye wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 02:29 |
but always with a condom |
maxim wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 02:35 |
as you should with the likes of kenny around |
maxim wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 02:26 |
charles wrote: "a badge i wear with honor." wearing your dick on your sleeve, so to speak |