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copperx

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A challenge: fun with an SM57 and a pair of ECM8000s
« on: November 17, 2005, 09:55:07 pm »

Let's suppose we have one great band on the studio recording a rock album.

This gig is like a bad dream in which you wake up and only have a SM57, two ECM8000s and two Millenia preamps (you can't color the sound in the analog path, no compressors, just very clean pres). Direct to Apogee converters.

How would you approach this (overdubbing, of course)?

Why? Harvey in one post wrote that he could record a whole album with an ECM8000. Hmm...

This is how I would approach it:

Drums: ECM8000s on overheads (stereo), SM57 on the bass drum.
Electric guitars: SM57 with the ECM8000 as a room mic, somewhat distant
Vocals: SM57 or the ECM8000 miced close
Bass: DI and bass cab miced far away with an ECM8000
Acoustic guitars: one ECM8000 arount 12th fret perhaps?

How would you approach it? (killing yourself not allowed)
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Frob

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Re: A challenge: fun with an SM57 and a pair of ECM8000s
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2005, 10:18:27 pm »

this is assuming that you get three pre's not two.
and that the bend consist of.
3 guitars
    1 acoustic who also sings
    1 rythm
    1 lead
1 full drummset
1 bassest
in a large properly trieated room.
one large not to revreby room place the drums in the back, with the bass back there too. the 57 about a foot in front of the lead man at neck level pointed tward guitar(im also assuming that this is not a pop band, and that vocals are less important. in on the side and in front (like 10-20feet from the set) have the rythm and lead guitarest on oposite sides of the set. the drummers and guitarist/bass are about 20feet from the vox/acousit guitar. then five to ten feet from the sides of the vox/acoustic have the ECM8000 on stands about 8-10 feet in the air.
i hope this made sence.

oh yea i almost forgot 1 perfect take
over dub like normal

resolectric

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Re: A challenge: fun with an SM57 and a pair of ECM8000s
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2005, 05:29:32 am »

I am recording several guitar tracks (acoustic and electric) for a renowned local artist using a 8" speaker as microphone.
Sounds great.
No need for those fancy SM57 or ECM8000 mics  Cool

So, if i can get away with a speaker you certainly can with three microphones.

Charlie Patton did record with a gramophone horn connected with a pipe to the gramophone across the street.
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Re: A challenge: fun with an SM57 and a pair of ECM8000s
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2005, 11:49:20 am »

I agree, ECM's on OH's on the kit, 57 between the kick and the snare and move it around until you can get both...  In fact I'd start by miking the kick and snare with just the 57 and make sure I am getting a good blend of both and then add the ECM's.

The rest of the sessions, ECM8000 on everything but vocals, use the 57 there.

I prefer my ECM8000s on guitar cabs over my whole locker full of mics including 57s.

I agree about making an entire album with nothing but an ECM8000...  I could make a whole album with only ONE ECM8000.  But you have to use a lot of EQ on vocals to get it to work out.

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Re: A challenge: fun with an SM57 and a pair of ECM8000s
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2005, 02:55:03 pm »

Drums I'd try one OH, one front, 57 near the HH, and pan all those slightly in mix. If it didn't work in tracking, I might put the ECMs over the drummer's shoulders, and put the 57 off to the side of the kick shell.

Then, I'd kill myself if that didn't work.


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Craig Patterson

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Re: A challenge: fun with an SM57 and a pair of ECM8000s
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2005, 03:30:21 pm »

resolectric wrote on Fri, 18 November 2005 10:29

I am recording several guitar tracks (acoustic and electric) for a renowned local artist using a 8" speaker as microphone.
Sounds great.

That's nothin'.  I once recorded the Vienna Philharmonic using nothing but a foot-long section of 2" PVC sewer pipe.

Won a Grammy.

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Re: A challenge: fun with an SM57 and a pair of ECM8000s
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2005, 07:19:01 pm »

Craig Patterson wrote on Mon, 28 November 2005 12:30

resolectric wrote on Fri, 18 November 2005 10:29

I am recording several guitar tracks (acoustic and electric) for a renowned local artist using a 8" speaker as microphone.
Sounds great.

That's nothin'.  I once recorded the Vienna Philharmonic using nothing but a foot-long section of 2" PVC sewer pipe.

Won a Grammy.




are you sure it was PVC? sewer pipe is usualy made of ABS, ya know like Gator cases. ahhh ABS, you hold our shit together.

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Re: A challenge: fun with an SM57 and a pair of ECM8000s
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2005, 01:41:17 pm »

Lookin' for that Charlie Patton sound huh?  Very Happy
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Re: A challenge: fun with an SM57 and a pair of ECM8000s
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2005, 04:56:23 pm »

After waking, and finding only those 3 mics in the studio, I'd hop in my car, drive home, and load up on some more mics. Problem solved.
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Re: A challenge: fun with an SM57 and a pair of ECM8000s
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2005, 10:48:00 am »

Guys guys whats all this talk of death huh?

I think its an exciting prospect actually seeing as thats almost what I did the other day with the exception of using a B52 on kick and bass guitar

Do we get to DI?

If so

57 on kick, I wouldnt worry too much about the snare mic overheads usually pick up enough for all but the heaviest tracks - obviously its nice to have the control over it but hey!

ECMs one above snare half pointed at snare half pointed at rack tom, other would need some help with placement depending on the setup but lets assume its somewhere near the floor tom

DI bass

Guitar 57 for rhythms and 57/ECM close for lead and other ECM pretty distant for a nice room ambience, Maybe pod the clean guitar

Acoustic i found a nice technique for rhythm parts where you seat the guitarist almost in the middle of two ECMs where they are about a foot above and away from each of his shoulders pointing in towards the guitar. For a fuller tone yea 12th fret with an ECM probably the way to go

Vocals are the tough one really 57 is ok but ECMs just cant do it! maybe have the ECMs further away or behind the singer or something to capture some room ambience

Stu

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Re: A challenge: fun with an SM57 and a pair of ECM8000s
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2005, 11:58:37 am »

copperx wrote on Thu, 17 November 2005 21:55

This is how I would approach it:

Drums: ECM8000s on overheads (stereo), SM57 on the bass drum.
Electric guitars: SM57 with the ECM8000 as a room mic, somewhat distant
Vocals: SM57 or the ECM8000 miced close
Bass: DI and bass cab miced far away with an ECM8000
Acoustic guitars: one ECM8000 arount 12th fret perhaps?

How would you approach it? (killing yourself not allowed)


I only kill others.

Drums: One 8000 in front of the kit down low, one over the drummers head somewhere and the 57 either on snare duty or peeking over the floor tom at the snare.

Guitars: One 57 near the cone. maybe i'd drop an 800 in the back of the cab for some wood.

Bass: DI w/ 57 on the cone.

vocals: 57

Acoustic guitar: 57 and 8000 combo where the guitar speaks what i want to hear.

Organ: Two 8000s in the stereo config.

Gimp: Duct tape 57 ball gag style to his face and have the assistant place both 8000s in proper stereo sphincter phone configuration.


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