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dongle

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When will digital completely take over audio processing
« on: September 11, 2005, 07:46:28 AM »

High guys, im not trying to start a war or anything, this is something that interests me greatly,
Is it possible for outboard gear to become obsolite. Forums discussing only plugins, and the gurus laughing at people still toying around with old vintage outbaord gear.
Imagine logging on to PSW and see the likes of the legends raving about such n such plugin.
If so, prediction please.
My meagre prediction is within the next 10 years.
But seriously do you guys think this will happen.

Thank you.
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Re: When will digital completely take audio processing
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2005, 08:11:02 AM »

dongle wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 07:46

High guys, im not trying to start a war or anything, this is something that interests me greatly,
Is it possible for outboard gear to become obselite. Forums discussing only plugins, and the gurus laughing at people still toying around with old vintage outbaord gear.
Imagine logging on to PSW and see the likes of the legends raving about such n such plugin.
If so, prediction please.
My meagre prediction is within the next 10 years.
But seriously do you guys think this will happen.

Thank you.



It's going to happen, but in an exponential curve. 10 years from now I suspect there will still be some critical "vintage" analog parts that no one has been able to emulate.

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Re: When will digital completely take audio processing
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2005, 08:23:04 AM »

dongle wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 12:46

Forums discussing only plugins, and the gurus laughing at people still toying around with old vintage outbaord gear.
Imagine logging on to PSW and see the likes of the legends raving about such n such plugin.


Wow, to laugh along with you for a minute - I didn't think that I would ever see DAW and guru in the same sentence.....The times they are a changin'....

Reminds me of the time I sent out some stuff recorded 'live in the studio' for a public radio broadcast....the producer of the show, when informed that everything was tracked on an old Neve desk to 2", said 'oh my, let's not tell any engineers who work here - they're all digital purists you know'.  Shocked
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Re: When will digital completely take over audio processing
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2005, 10:41:42 AM »

Won't happen, digital's way too weird.
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Re: When will digital completely take over audio processing
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2005, 11:08:41 AM »



Analog will be around until they invent a human with digital ears.
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Re: When will digital completely take over audio processing
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2005, 11:14:15 AM »

Thats classic ronny, i think ill be guinea pig for that.
Hang on i think i might already have them,, oh shit.
It makes sense now. Very Happy
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Re: When will digital completely take audio processing
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2005, 11:16:56 AM »

Hey Bob, you seem adamant that it will happen, do you think it will be for the better or worse. In what direction is audio heading.

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Re: When will digital completely take audio processing
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2005, 11:35:05 AM »

dongle wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 11:16

Hey Bob, you seem adamant that it will happen, do you think it will be for the better or worse. In what direction is audio heading.

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What direction is audio heading?  Up and down...

Seriously, I thought that my description of an exponential curve implied that any given analog processor will not disappear until there is something better or equal.

Let's look at a musical instrument analogy:

In my opinion, the original, "true" Fender Rhodes has given way to some excellent simulations that most people agree is a substitute for the real thing. But the real acoustic piano so far has not been replaced by any satisfactory simulation or even sample-based version.

It's that last 1% that we have to worry about at the end of the exponential curve. Like the thread where Steve Albini successfully argued, I think, that there is still no real substitute for analog tape. With devices like the Cranesong we can get some of the effects of analog tape but not the visceral "balls" and "impact" I think. But it is up to, maybe, 95%. A lot of people have been at my place, where the monitoring is not a slouch, and said, upon hearing the Cranesong, "yes, there's the sound of analog tape".

So, when you ask, "will it get better or worse"? I think it could get some points worse as we discover that through tiny erosions in our standards of acceptability, we begin to accept something that is 99% of the real thing. This has already happened to a log of what used to be acoustically-based music. Listen to the distorted collection of sampled drums and synths that passes for "R&B" these days. And the entire advertising field is all synths now except for the vocals. When I came into audio, there were 10 to 20 big, active studios in New York City recording string and horn ensembles for radio commercials. Our world is changing, and not for the better from the point of view of music artistry.

The same sort of thing could (and already has) happen to the audio industry. But looking at the bright side, the purity of tone that I perceive in the 64 bit digital mixer and plugins for the Metric Halo Mobile I/O running at 96 kHz points out that there are many bright things in store for all-digital processing. I like the sound of really-high-quality digital mixing, for many genres of music and recording, so that is an advance, in purity of tone.

But when we are looking for certain types of distortion and grit and balls and punch, that's where the plugins currently fail, or just provide "simulations of the real thing".

Instead of worrying about whether analog processors will be replaced, I think we should just set our sights on keeping improving digital processing and seeing where and in what applications it can replace some of our old analog techniques. And then when someone starts calling a new plugin an adequate replacement for such and such analog process, the keen-eared and experienced engineer/producers that we have left have to call an alarm and tell all of us why such-and-such is a pale representation of the way we used to do it.
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Re: When will digital completely take over audio processing
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2005, 11:59:02 AM »

Even if digital sounded equal, the great engineers still wouldn't switch.  And these are the guys that really make the great sounds.  

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Re: When will digital completely take over audio processing
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2005, 12:18:41 PM »

brandondrury wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 11:59

Even if digital sounded equal, the great engineers still wouldn't switch.  And these are the guys that really make the great sounds.  

Brandon



Savvy engineers make the best of both worlds, it's not an either digital or analog situation, it's utilizing each for their advantage over the other regarding different applications.
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Re: When will digital completely take over audio processing
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2005, 02:01:41 PM »

What Ronny said...
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Re: When will digital completely take over audio processing
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2005, 03:25:45 PM »

brandondrury wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 16:59

Even if digital sounded equal, the great engineers still wouldn't switch.  And these are the guys that really make the great sounds.  

Brandon


That would imply there will be no great engineers seventy years from now. Several generations apart, and they ride their PT rigs like there was no tomorrow yet they never punched in on 2". I expect this difference to increase with each and every generation.
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Re: When will digital completely take over audio processing
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2005, 03:48:17 PM »

I mix ITB. I love it. I will continue and am probably going to set up an ITB mixing room soon. No console, not even an Icon probably. Better acoustical response without those damm things.

Instant total recall. No patchbays to deal with. Just me and my mouse.

I do good mixes ITB too...it's not like I'm doing shitty mixes.
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Re: When will digital completely take over audio processing
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2005, 04:15:51 PM »

Quote:

My meagre prediction is within the next 10 years.



go ahead and sell all that nasty analog junk..

pultecs used to go for nothing in the late 70's right?

I just learned that one of the hip sounds in modern computer-techno music is actually derived from an early 80's sound chip which is not being made anymore (and never will be).
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Re: When will digital completely take over audio processing
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2005, 05:34:42 PM »

There are a lot of digital amp emulators around and some of them sound pretty good, damn good actually but most guitarists I know would still rather play through a good tube amp any day. I think as long as there are people who can afford it, analog is not going to vanish any time soon.
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