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[xonlocust]

hey all-
i'm doing a session this weekend that's mostly acoustic gtr singer/songwriter sorta stuff and was interested to hear everyone's favorite techniques so i might try something new i hadn't thought of. the gtr also has a line out avail.
thanks.
nk

[Fibes]

I'm a big fan of omni patterns on acoustic. Mono, double tracked, ORTF, jecklin... Unless the guitarist snorts and breathes heavy then I opt for figure 8 with the head in the null...

Tey one mic by the guitarists right ear and one out front of the guitar. Try ortf  pretty close in and move back...


I just got a duo of Bova Ball mics and i am completely hooked. They freaking rock.

[j.hall]

earthworks TC-30k pointed at (like it matters, it's omni) the 12th fret, about 4' back.

takeout probably has some cool ideas, he's cut some awesome sounding acoustic stuff on a few projects we've done together.

[NelsonL]

I did a song recently, live take of acoustic guitar and voice, no overdubs.

We put up a pair of Royer 121s in blumlein in front of the guitar, and a 4050 higher up for voice-- possibly phase inverted, can't remember.

Anyway, the Royers had a really dark, appealingly thick quality that benefited from the slight amount of sparkle added by the LDC.

[TheViking]

I've used my Royer SF-12 as a great stereo ac gtr sound, but the problem I always have with it is that I have to crank the pre to get it where I need it.   Sometimes, when my gear is cooperating it is the best sound I've ever gotten.

My 'always works' sound is a pair of Earthworks SR71 cardiods through my Langevin AM-16 pre's.

Sometimes, if your going for something really over-the-top and you have a decent sized recording space, try using the cheapest mic you have, like a 57 or some radio shack POS mic on the guitar mono from a pretty good distance (say 4 to 5 feet) and use like an RNC or a DBX with the Over-Easy setting and crank it up.   Mess with the mic placement...   move it around until it sounds 'crazy'.   I've found that can sometimes sound really good and cool depending on what the project is.

Good luck
Kevin

[NelsonL]

Yeh, noise is an issue.

FWIW we used a TG2 and it was acceptable for that track.

And I forgot, there was also a room mic in the corner which eventually fed the Wendy Carlos plate in Altiverb, 100% wet, low-passed, and squeezed a little with the BF76. Blended in under the tracks a good many db down from everything else.

I guess it'd be interesting to try with an ultra clean modern pre w/ the Royers, although in general those don't interest me.

One other thing--- I had a Blue Kiwi through a BAE API pre up for FOK one day and the singer happend to strum an acoustic guitar on the other side of the room-- it sounded amazing. Unfortunatley the gear had to go back to the rental house and we never got to actually track acoustic guitar that way.

[drumsound]

I really like AT Pro37R in XY around the 12th fret.  When I?m doing solo Singer/songwriter I use a multi pattern LDC in figure 8 with the null pointing to the guitar so I have some freedom in the vox track.  Recently I did a whole record like this and I added the Tape Op ribbons in Blumlein about 8-9 feet away and 5 1/2' feet high.

The whole record on five tracks.  I reused the tape by rewinding in sections and using the low tracks, then the middle tracks, and then the high tracks.

[xonlocust]

great suggestions everyone - thanks!

it's great to refresh your mind of all the options before going in...

[xonlocust]

gringos-

well, i'm done - sorta - thank god. dude wants to come back in spring for real mixing (just rough mixes tonight) and maybe fixing whatever needs to be fixed.  (long story with our respective schedules)

a lot of bed tracks used my nevaton 51 in omni over the rt ear and a ksm 141 in omni pointed at the 12 fret at roughly 4 ft or so (both roughly equidistant from the 12th fret), and i really liked that as a base point to work from.  panned L-R for a pseudo stereo. also rocked the ORTF which was decent. it sounded good to me, im not sure i'm good enough yet to notice the difference btw that and XY - maybe if i heard them side by side... also used an oktava 52 ribbon up close for one song which was real nice - to take off the edge. not great for everything, but for one song it was perfect.  

the studio got a loaner LA-4 in which i used on practically everything, that was cool. i love how good compressors just work instead of hearing them work ya know?  

overall, i think i used different combinations of AT 4051s, the nevaton, ksm 141 and the oktava.  oh yes, the nevaton was my 2nd choice after my first pick of gefell um 70. that is a sorta noisy mic i found, not the greatest on real quiet sources. i've used it many times before on louder things and loved it though.  preamps were either 2 hardy channels or stock sony 3036 console channels.

fortunately all the gtrs were separated from vocal takes.

yeah - thank you all for suggestions.

[takeout]

I'm not a huge omni fan, mainly because I've yet to work with a guitarist who could keep random noises to a minimum.

*bumpscraperubetc...*

The last good luck I had was a Rode tube LDC > 1272 > PT, 12" away or so, located at the 12th fret but pointed back at the soundhole (~45 degree angle).  Nice and direct, detailed, decent amount of body without the squeaks or woofiness.  Probably wouldn't work for a bed track though.

[Jules]

I helped a band out I was producing a few years back. They were having trouble nailing acc gtr.. So they said it was cool if I played it.

I nominated a band member to be 'engineer' and told him to press record & play when I gave him the signal from the live area.

He asked "what do I do after that"?

I said "press stop at the end of the song, I won't be stopping!"



Beyer 201 into Helios mic pre has a nice 70's vibe...

[Curve Dominant]

I just recorded/produced a whole album of songs w/guitarist playing acoustic guitar as bed tracks.

1) SM57 pointed at the 12th fret @ 45/angle (rear of mic pointed away from guitarist), about 5" from the axe
2) LDC hung above the lower body of the guitar, pointed down towards the sound hole, about 12" from the axe
3) Panned hard L/R

Everyone very happy with results; YMMV.

My brother Kurt was the guitar tech on the Godsmack acoustic EP, and related this tip:

1) Hang LDC as described above, panned centre
2) Hang two ribbon mics (Royer 121, 122, et al) above the guitarist's shoulders, panned L/R

I haven't tried that one yet, but hanging the LDC mic ABOVE, not below or in front of, the guitar seems the status quo for good sonics. I know I've experimented with LDC placement in front of acoustic gtrs, and it seems the only sound I ever like is when I've got the LDC above the guitar by about a foot or two, pointed down at the sound hole.

Happy hunting...

[Beezoboy]

I have gotten a cery cool rock guitar sound with a 414 in hyper out from the 12th fret off axis in the direction of the sound hole, and a Shure 545 off axis from the sound hole pointed in the direction of the 12th fret. Panned hard. I think a dynamic and condensor combination gives a nice contrast and makes the soundscape cooler due to the differences in sound characteristics.

The re-15 can be cool on strummed acoustic guitar too.

Beez

[josh]

KEL HM-1 about a foot away aimed at the 12th fret marker

Oktava MK-219 (modified , you pick your favorite lush-sounding mic) aimed at approx. the bridge of the guitar to the guitarist's right, 4' or so away, 4' or so off the ground.


totally rough and unprocessed sample

http://www.prophetsandpoets.com/josh/mp3/KEL_Okt_Acoustic.mp 3

[Fig]

Howdy,

I know its late for your session (how'd it go - BTW?), but we had great results with a KSM141 up close and C12VR in the air, both in cardiod (see photo).

Blend to taste.  Pan a bit in the mix, if you like (we did!).

We tracked a direct as well, but did not use it, preferring the "acoustics" of the acoustic

Normally we would employ in-ear isolating earphones (E4s are the new favorite at my place), but the artist in question wasn't into it - thus the cans.  It was a soft track, so bleed wasn't stupid loud - NTTAWWT.

Seems the "hardest" part is keeping the player in the same spot and their breathing out of the track.  Oh yeah, and a stool that does not squeak is essential!

Osci-later,

Fig