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masterhse

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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2005, 12:09:07 PM »

bblackwood wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 11:54

masterhse wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 10:45

Why put tattoos on a CD other than for marketing reasons?

"Who's master is this?"



Brad -

I put all of that information on the card in the case, and also include a PQ list with that info.
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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2005, 12:10:16 PM »

masterhse wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 11:09

bblackwood wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 11:54

masterhse wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 10:45

Why put tattoos on a CD other than for marketing reasons?

"Who's master is this?"



Brad -

I put all of that information on the card in the case, and also include a PQ list with that info.

And I'm quite certain that in all of history no plant has ever lost the insert/case...
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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2005, 12:18:44 PM »

bblackwood wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 12:10

masterhse wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 11:09

bblackwood wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 11:54

masterhse wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 10:45

Why put tattoos on a CD other than for marketing reasons?

"Who's master is this?"



Brad -

I put all of that information on the card in the case, and also include a PQ list with that info.

And I'm quite certain that in all of history no plant has ever lost the insert/case...



In my case that has been true. And if they did would you really trust them with mastering if they are that inept?
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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2005, 12:20:30 PM »

masterhse wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 11:18

bblackwood wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 12:10

masterhse wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 11:09

bblackwood wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 11:54

masterhse wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 10:45

Why put tattoos on a CD other than for marketing reasons?

"Who's master is this?"



Brad -

I put all of that information on the card in the case, and also include a PQ list with that info.

And I'm quite certain that in all of history no plant has ever lost the insert/case...

In my case that has been true. And if they did would you really trust them with mastering if they are that inept?

Tom, how often do you, as the mastering engineer, get to choose who the client manufactures with?

It's just common sense to label the masters, imo.
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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2005, 12:34:47 PM »

bblackwood wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 12:20


Tom, how often do you, as the mastering engineer, get to choose who the client manufactures with?

It's just common sense to label the masters, imo.



Usually the client is looking to me for recommendations, and I deal with three plants usually. I have never had a problem with any of them.

As long as the format for labeling doesn't introduce errors, then not an issue. As Ronny mentioned, paper labels can cause potential problems. Could thermal potentially cause a CD to warp slightly? Will the ink smear or soak through the CD? Is there a possibilty the CD might be scratched during the printing process or smudged during futher handling?

I'm sure some consider it being overly anal, but I prefer not to take a chance when with reasonable care at the plant it shouldn't be needed imo.
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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2005, 01:16:43 PM »

masterhse wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 11:34

bblackwood wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 12:20


Tom, how often do you, as the mastering engineer, get to choose who the client manufactures with?

It's just common sense to label the masters, imo.



Usually the client is looking to me for recommendations, and I deal with three plants usually. I have never had a problem with any of them.

Ahh, probably would've been helpful to include that with your original post, then, as I imagine you are decidedly in the minority in this...

Agreed, it doesn't matter if the labelling doesn't introduce errors, and I think as long as you are printing on the disc (either with a Sharpie or a printer) you're safe.
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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2005, 01:18:22 PM »

VagrantSt wrote on Fri, 26 August 2005 11:44

What have you guys been doing? Thermal printing, Ink printer, Stick-on, Sharpie...?
I've been using 'CD markers' or Sharpies. What's the latest science on potential long term damage??



I have a few thousand pre-printed Taiyo silvers with our silkscreened and lacquered overlay that has blanks for title, speed of dupe, and so on. We fill in the title and other data in the blanks with a Sharpie. It looks professional and very together. Use this for masters, dupes, QC copies, etc.

This is analogous to the old days when studios had their take sheets printed and they taped them to the back of the tape box.

Do you really think it's necessary to impress clients with a custom printed and labelled CD? The only time I would agree that printing on the CD is useful is if you are producing short run duplication for clients doing demos or even "commercial releases".

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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2005, 01:24:26 PM »


A plant can misplace a cd as easy as they can the cue sheet. As someone was saying the other day, the master going to the plant isn't an archive master, it's quite temporary and once transferred to the plant system, it's disposable. Although the virgin disk may be the best solution error wise, the issue of ink is one of longevity. I haven't heard of any disks being affected by deskjet/inkjet or water based magic markers for the short duration that exists between the burn and the plant load-in. Marking the disk may prevent some mistakes at the plant, but they have to eat any cd runs that don't clone the master and aren't real prone to that mistake, methinks. I broker for a few clients, all of the plants have different policies as to labeling of the cd and state it in their requirements and templates catalog. It's not really a decision for the ME to make, but following the individual plant requirement. Most advise against paper labels and accept water based marking. The only real problem is if you have C2's and as long as you test the master after you've marked it, get no C2's, no problem.  
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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2005, 01:59:43 PM »

Ronny wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 12:24

Most advise against paper labels and accept water based marking.


We quit using the paper labels altogether a few years ago, even for refs.

Since it's really hot down here in Texas, we had a label come unglued in a clients' cartridge player in the trunk of his car, can't imagine what he was thinking, putting it in there in the first place. As a result we quit using the paper labels altogether, and when to water based marking.

I do like the professional look of the ink jet printing, I may look into that.
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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2005, 02:03:48 PM »

Jerry Tubb wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 12:59

Ronny wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 12:24

Most advise against paper labels and accept water based marking.


We quit using the paper labels altogether a few years ago, even for refs.

Since it's really hot down here in Texas, we had a label come unglued in a clients' cartridge player in the trunk of his car, can't imagine what he was thinking, putting it in there in the first place. As a result we quit using the paper labels altogether, and when to water based marking.

I do like the professional look of the ink jet printing, I may look into that.


I think the R200's are something like $90 at Sam's with a full set of ink (the kicker is the ink...about $60 per full set of refills...and it goes through them pretty quick).  They are a pain compared to the Primera's, but for the price...it's a real cheap way to make a better looking ref.
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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2005, 02:12:22 PM »

bblackwood wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 08:54

masterhse wrote on Sat, 27 August 2005 10:45

Why put tattoos on a CD other than for marketing reasons?

"Who's master is this?"



And there is no increase in errors after printing...

Looks good, etc...

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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2005, 08:16:58 PM »

Thanks for clearing up my concerns on thermal and ink jet printing. I suppose I have been "overly cautious" Smile

Interesting thread on the use of labels:

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/39858
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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2005, 09:13:29 PM »

Jerry Tubb wrote on Fri, 26 August 2005 20:17



I paid $4k for my first burner... does that count ? Rolling Eyes


It wasn't my money, but the original CDW-1 for the Sonic was like US$50,000.

But sometimes you want to be first, and that was one of those times imo, as you could also charge beaucoup bux for the Ref's since the rest of the world was running cassettes...

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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2005, 09:19:10 PM »

MASSIVE Mastering wrote on Fri, 26 August 2005 11:49

I get TY's thermally printed with several indicators and go from there.  It's neat & clean - and uniform...    

http://www.massivemastering.com/assets/images/MMCDR.jpg
 



Have you considered adding a field for the barometric pressure, or phase of the moon at the time of the burn?

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Re: Labeling Masters
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2005, 09:54:44 PM »

 Laughing
I just put on what I kept writing down - I thought about solunar fishing tables though...   Shocked
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