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[aivoryuk]

i'm starting to find that when mastering it's my first attempt (particulary for EQ)that i will use for the end product.
if i spend too much time on something trying different techniques i tend to lose the spirit

is this the same for anyone else??
is this good or bad???

[zetterstroem]

aivoryuk wrote on Mon, 08 August 2005 21:26

i'm starting to find that when mastering it's my first attempt (particulary for EQ)that i will use for the end product. if i spend too much time on something trying different techniques i tend to lose the spirit is this the same for anyone else?? yes is this good or bad??? good

sometimes when i eq alot i find myself working AWAY from the "goal" and just take out more and more of the music from the signal...... that's why the KISS principle was invented.... (Keep It Simple Stupid)  

[bblackwood]

aivoryuk wrote on Mon, 08 August 2005 14:26

is this the same for anyone else??

Yes.

Quote:

is this good or bad???

I think it's a good thing - it shows your natural instincts are generally the best thing for the track.

This is where experience really comes in to play - at some point, you are confident enough in your 'first instincts' to know when you've done what needs to be done (or done what can be done) to a track without having to experiment...

[Ronny]

aivoryuk wrote on Mon, 08 August 2005 15:26

i'm starting to find that when mastering it's my first attempt (particulary for EQ)that i will use for the end product. if i spend too much time on something trying different techniques i tend to lose the spirit is this the same for anyone else?? is this good or bad???

After you get some experience, you'll be able to play the tune, recogonize what eq tweak it needs or not, perform it and move on.

Is is good or bad that it takes you a long time to dial in the eq on some tunes? Neither in one case, it takes time to develop the ears so that you'll instantly recognize what eq tweaks something needs and the only way to get to that point is to practice eq'ing again and again until the you master the process. Whether or not it's bad or good also depends on your level of experience, if you were engineering for 30 years and take an hour to eq each song, that wouldn't be so good. If you are at the point where you have to eq experimentally until you arrive at satisfaction because you haven't developed the ears to immediately hear what frequencies need to be addressed, well it's a good thing, "if you remember your mistakes and learn by them".  

[Jerry Tubb]

aivoryuk wrote on Mon, 08 August 2005 14:26

i'm starting to find that when mastering it's my first attempt (particulary for EQ)that i will use for the end product.

I can EQ that song in 3 notes... just kidding !

Usually 2-3 passes is enough for me.

1st  pass to set EQ/Comp etc.

2nd pass to check & tweak.

3rd pass to print.

Sometimes print & check on 2nd pass.  

[ammitsboel]

zetterstroem wrote on Mon, 08 August 2005 21:02

...... that's why the KISS principle was invented.... (Keep It Simple Stupid)  [/color]

I thought it was the KISIYATS principle (Keep It Simple If You Are Too Stupid)
-Just kidding

[MASSIVE Mastering]

I think it's great.  It's something I *try* to explain so often that I sound like a broken record when people inquire:  "I've tried everything and I can't make my mixes sound "pro" no matter what I try - and I've tried........(insert huge list of processing here)."  

I think part of the whole point is to listen and "visualize" the mix's potential realistically right off the bat.  Then set up a chain that'll get you there.  With experience over time, it should be close without any experimenting.