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ALLEN WRENCH

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Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« on: July 31, 2005, 01:14:08 pm »

What do you guys like for very hard rock and/or punk vocal mic?  Would a U87 be out of the question?

By screaming... I'm talking a 'Henry rollins (Black Flag - Damaged) / Rage Against The Machine' vocal style.

And yes, everyone already knows that Rage Against the Machine used a hand held 58... or whatever.

Mics on the table are:

U87
Manley Cardiod Reference Mic
58
Beta 58
Royer 121

Input greatly appreciated!


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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2005, 01:34:48 pm »

if the vocalist is going to be moving all over the place during tracking, the 58 might be the only way to go.  In this case, it's really about getting the performance from him, because it'll end up sounding worse if you have an active vocalist 'trapped' on-axis with an LDC than rocking out with a handheld.

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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2005, 03:47:44 pm »

I know you didn't mention it but a shure sm7 is great for those kind of vocals.  They aren't too expensive either, only a couple hundred bucks.
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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2005, 05:28:55 pm »

I'll second the SM7...great for screamo guys, if you can get them to stand still...
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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2005, 05:48:34 pm »

Third vote for SM7. From what you have try the U 87 in omni pattern, with a good 10 inches from the mouth of the screamo, especially if you have a somewhat dead-absorbent vocal booth.

Hope this helps

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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2005, 07:15:41 pm »

Another vote for SM7. Or 58. Hanging a LDC up with a windscreen doesn't fit the vibe for angst-rock usually.

I don't know if I would use a ribbon on a screamer personally, so maybe hide the Royer away (?)
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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2005, 07:43:17 pm »

Use what they use live.. mostl likely an SM58.  
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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2005, 07:43:59 pm »

I think your idea of an 87, or a 47fet would be my first attempts.

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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2005, 07:47:11 pm »

anyone tried the neumann handheld?

http://www.neumann.com/infopool/mics/produkte.php?ProdID=kms 105

i know it sounds nice on other vocal types..... and it takes a 150dB's!
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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2005, 08:24:26 pm »

John Sorensen wrote on Sun, 31 July 2005 19:15

Another vote for SM7. Or 58. Hanging a LDC up with a windscreen doesn't fit the vibe for angst-rock usually.

I don't know if I would use a ribbon on a screamer personally, so maybe hide the Royer away (?)


Yep, the ribbon although they sound more natural than many mics won't handle the SPL as good as the others, I'd eliminate it and definitely forget about the Manley, it's better for analysis than tracking. I'd run two takes, one on the Beta 58 and one on the U87, pick between the two. Another option place the U87 in cardioid pattern to the side about 2 feet, with him hand holding the 58, if he doesn't jump around too much you may find that both of these tracks mixed together may sound better than either the U87 or the 58 solo'd.
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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2005, 09:37:16 pm »

I second SM7b.

I like Re20 as well for the screaming and for screaming up close since proximity effect is very minimal with this mic.

Another mic I would try is the MD441.
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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2005, 10:37:15 am »

An SM7 just doesn't sound good with this particular voice.

And now, come to think of it, I can't remember if Garth had the singer using a SM57 or 58.

Does anyone thing an SM57 would be a viable choice?


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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2005, 10:51:49 am »

ALLEN WRENCH wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 15:37

An SM7 just doesn't sound good with this particular voice.

And now, come to think of it, I can't remember if Garth had the singer using a SM57 or 58.

Does anyone thing an SM57 would be a viable choice?


- ALLEN


I've used SM57 for voice in studio sessions. Sounded fine. (also eq'd, de-essed, blah blah blah). When you're done recording you can pound nails with it. It's a dessert topping and a floor cleaner.
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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2005, 01:07:38 pm »

I'm sending you a link of an MP3 of a metal band I did with a very aggressive singer.  It's a Soundelux iFET7.  We tried the SM-7 (among other things like a U47), but the SM-7 was actually too thin compared to the iFET7 (in V mode), and the iFET7 had a somewhat compressed vibe, where the SM-7 was a lot more free dynamically, which actually worked against this singer.  Also, I really like the SM-7 on guitar amps, so using the same mic on amps and vocals makes life a lot harder when mix comes around.
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Re: Mic selection for screaming rock/punk vocals
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2005, 01:36:58 pm »

kinda shocked that the SM7 is not working well for him, but so be it.  it's one of THE mics for that kind of thing which is probably why so many people replied with a vote for it.  SM57 would be my next try.

if you're using a DAW (or if you can afford a few analog tracks) and you can use a mic stand with him, put ALL mics up that you listed--anything that might work really.  then, put a pop filter on a seperate stand and have him sing the same verse on each mic as seperate takes, moving the pop filter down to each mic as he goes along.  then, have him go back into the control room and the two of you pick the one that works best.  in ten minutes or less, you'll pick the best one and have the rest of them back on the shelf for another day.

btw, i've used the beta58 a whole bunch in the studio on vocals.  i love that mic.  other circumstances than sound led me to using it, but i still go to it from time to time.

good luck and have fun.

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