David Schober wrote on Wed, 13 July 2005 13:36 |
William,
It's really no big deal and the example I gave should take all of about 30 seconds.
Personally I don't see this as a flaw. There are very good reasons not to have the playlists edit. By not editing the underlying playlsts you have, within the same session, the raw unedited files so if anyone changes their mind about any aspect of the edit (that never happens!) the unedited files are right there.
For ex. I make a duplicate playlist to edit into as the final master. (the duplicate playlist feature can be a lifesaver for all sorts of things) What's good about this is no matter how much I cut up the song, I'm only one click away from my original. If the playlists were edited as well I'd be stuck having to open up a previous session (providing I used "Save as...") to get back to the original. A preference option for this would be nice I guess, but I'd never use it.
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Hey Dave, hope you're well.
Sounds like you're making the whole song (all tracks) an alternate playlist. Sounds like a great way to edit the song and be able to get back to square one quickly. But I still wish we had the choice.
Everybody works differently, and for me this IS a major pain in the butt (maybe not a flaw, but it needs fixin') in Pro Tools. Not only do alternate playlists not get edited, BUT ANY hidden tracks do not get edited either. That just doesn't make sense to me. Especially since if you edit automation on a track that is part of a group, and some tracks in that group are hidden, Pro Tools will give you a window that says the operation will affect those hidden tracks. So it IS possible for Pro Tools to keep up with hidden tracks and alternate playlists, they just haven't written it in yet as part of audio editing yet.
Imagine having an hour and a half session (live project) with 13 songs, each with about 20 vocal takes, maybe some alternate guitar takes, some alternate keys takes etc. Now imagine you need to edit choruses, verses, shorten intros, extend lead sections on 10 of those songs. It's gonna get pretty complicated copying all those alternate playlists to new tracks, especially since all the songs are different.
Plus, keeping up with edits on multiple songs can really get stuff out of sync down the line.
When I edit a song, I ALWAYS put the edit at the end of the session. So if I cut out a chorus, I paste that chorus at the end of the session and label it with a marker. That way if I need to get back I just grab the section and paste it back in with shuffle on. That's the way I handle your example of people changing their minds (does that really happen in your sessions?).
IF PRO TOOLS WOULD let me edit all the alternate playlists/hidden tracks (with a toggle preference) then all those alternate playlists would follow my edited chorus down to the end of the session, BUT MY SONG would still be intact as a unit, all tracks in sync, and I could still grab an alternate vocal phrase if I wanted it. AND I would not have to mess with creating 19 other vocal tracks just so I can edit out a chorus.
A preference would be a lifesaver for me. I've already put this in about three times as a feature request on the phone to Digi. Digi says they did it this way for the Video Post guys, but agreed that a preference would be nice for the audio guys. I'd pay good money for this preference (hey, I've already paid good money!!).