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[aivoryuk]

sounds like a good idea jerry

i'll try and find 3 songs of a different genre and use the eq's to find which gives the best results

cheers for the suggestion

alex  

[jlapointe]

JayTea wrote on Wed, 06 July 2005 12:43

Select 3 songs to Master that need a fair amount of work to sound good.

I would also suggest testing the eqs on a mix that is nearly perfect - just needing a little touchup eq.  See if the eqs can get in and do the job without messing anything else up.

[aivoryuk]

JLaPointe wrote on Thu, 07 July 2005 01:49

I would also suggest testing the eqs on a mix that is nearly perfect - just needing a little touchup eq.  See if the eqs can get in and do the job without messing anything else up.

thanks for that, i did that last night, got a CD in my collection which is more is prob a first generation CD copy literally where the engineer has just played the master mix tape to cd and just inserted track marks, its a perfect mix that just needs a little modernisation.

the results I done were very surprising

I will post them once i've finished my findings as i think it will make for interesting reading

[ammitsboel]

aivoryuk wrote on Thu, 07 July 2005 11:34

JLaPointe wrote on Thu, 07 July 2005 01:49 I would also suggest testing the eqs on a mix that is nearly perfect - just needing a little touchup eq.  See if the eqs can get in and do the job without messing anything else up. thanks for that, i did that last night, got a CD in my collection which is more is prob a first generation CD copy literally where the engineer has just played the master mix tape to cd and just inserted track marks, its a perfect mix that just needs a little modernisation. the results I done were very surprising I will post them once i've finished my findings as i think it will make for interesting reading

Oh, I kind of like those first generation transfers to CD that hasn't been messed up!

[bobkatz]

JLaPointe wrote on Wed, 06 July 2005 20:49

JayTea wrote on Wed, 06 July 2005 12:43 Select 3 songs to Master that need a fair amount of work to sound good. I would also suggest testing the eqs on a mix that is nearly perfect - just needing a little touchup eq.  See if the eqs can get in and do the job without messing anything else up.

Good test! We want to know two things about an EQ:

1) How transparent it is OR

2) If it is not transparent, how nice it sounds!

[Ronny]

OTR-jkl wrote on Tue, 05 July 2005 21:28

Ronny wrote on Tue, 05 July 2005 18:11 I've never been able to hit it hard for perceived gain and gotten a satisfactory sound. What kind of GR do you see on the VW meters when you "hit it hard" by your definition? I'm also curious where you set the Sat. knobs... Regarding turning the Drive way down and the Ceiling up, I think I would rather attenuate the signal somewhere else rather than at the VW. FWIW, I usually use my tube convertor to make up as much gain as I can in the analog realm so when the signal hits the VW, its already pretty hot and I don't have to make it work very hard at all - almost always < 1 dB of GR...

I don't have gr meters only VU meters and not sure what you mean by Sat knobs. I find the VU meters to be lacking and slow. If you mean Sat = saturation, that's done with the ceiling.

[AndreasN]

Theres a "toggle switch" in VW that switches the meters between input, GR and output.

[Ronny]

AndreasN wrote on Sat, 09 July 2005 14:15

Theres a "toggle switch" in VW that switches the meters between input, GR and output.

Ok, thanks I'll check it out next time that I use the VW.

[OTR-jkl]

Ronny wrote on Sat, 09 July 2005 01:10

not sure what you mean by Sat knobs. If you mean Sat = saturation, that's done with the ceiling.

On the "back panel" of the VW, there are more controls and fine adjustment parameters including Saturation adjustments for each of the 3 bands when using the VW in Multiband mode. These Sat. adj. knobs are used to adjust the Saturation characteristics of each band. I find them more useful than the Ceiling knob. (At least I understand them more than I do the Ceiling knob.)

I'd still like to know more about the Ceiling knob and how to use it...

[Ronny]

OTR-jkl wrote on Mon, 11 July 2005 09:04

Ronny wrote on Sat, 09 July 2005 01:10 not sure what you mean by Sat knobs. If you mean Sat = saturation, that's done with the ceiling. On the "back panel" of the VW, there are more controls and fine adjustment parameters including Saturation adjustments for each of the 3 bands when using the VW in Multiband mode. These Sat. adj. knobs are used to adjust the Saturation characteristics of each band. I find them more useful than the Ceiling knob. (At least I understand them more than I do the Ceiling knob.) I'd still like to know more about the Ceiling knob and how to use it...

You obviously use it more than I do, Jeff and are more experienced with it. I had to pull out the manual to even find  the sat knobs.  

Maybe I'm not getting as good of results as you are by putting the drive low and the ceiling higher. Everything that I've related is keeping all controls on the back panel at default. When I try to use the drive up and the ceiling low, I get to a point where the overs bark, really bad clipping. I'll work with it some when I get the time.

This is what the manual says about the ceiling knob:  

The Ceiling knob allows Vintage Warmer to operate at a maximum level other than 0dBFS. This control prevents 0dBFS signals exceeding 0dBFS even if the Ceiling is set at more than 0dBFS. The Ceiling control interacts with the low, mid and high saturation level adjustments in the back panel. The default value is 0dB.

A clear case of me NRTFM (not remembering the fu*king manual) and mastering using the Dave Collins method of using my ears and not wearing my eyeglasses to see these little numbers and switches.  

No wonder why I get less clipping and more saturation when I turn the drive down and the ceiling up, though.