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[jimmyjazz]

I like the new mix as well.  The snare drum sounds much better.  How hard are you hitting the compressor on the snare?  It seems pretty flattened.  Maybe that's just the player.

I forgot to mention, I really like the Cure-esque chimey guitars on this song.  They mix nicely with the heavy L/R guitar parts.  Good job.

By the way, the singer sounds like Geddy Lee.  And some of the lyrics are nearly as goofy as Neal Peart's.  You held out on us . . . this is Rush, isn't it?  (Just kidding.)

Also, there is an audible unmuting of a string on one guitar right before the song begins.  Do you want that to be heard?

[bobkatz]

brandondrury wrote on Wed, 29 June 2005 11:12

Hey dudes, I suck and I'm not even sure why (except for maybe poor acoustics, inexperience, etc).  I'll be sending this off for mastering in a day or two and I want to make sure that any glaring problems are taken care of. Bash the hell out of this mix for me. http://www.echoechostudios.com/Supposition.mp3 I did make this one louder by abusing a compressor and a Waves L2 limiter.  I'm not a mastering engineer and have no aspiration to do so.   Brandon

If you want to get rid of any "glaring problems" start by getting rid of the stuff that makes it sound bad and limits the mastering engineer. If anyone is going to ruin your recording, let it be the mastering engineer .

But seriously folks. In the mix, get rid of the L2 across the buss. And use only the amount of compression that glues your mix together and makes it sound good without losing the life or the dynamics. Get rid of any part of the compression that you may have used to "make it louder" and turn up your your monitor volume control to make it louder.

That's it in a nutshell.... the rest is part of the art of critical listening because it's impossible to express in words what a good, finished mix should sound like. There may be some help in that respect by dropping in at the Honor Roll at www.digido.com. It's the best set of examples I can give you. I wish I could put up some more hip hop examples at digido, but all I have lately are raw, decent mixes that the clients have asked me to ruin in the mastering. And I mean "ruin", where the bass drum sounds wimpy and has no impact and I could go on, where basically the master sounds worse than the mix.

[Ronny]

BK wrote:

"But seriously folks. In the mix, get rid of the L2 across the buss. And use only the amount of compression that glues your mix together and makes it sound good without losing the life or the dynamics. Get rid of any part of the compression that you may have used to "make it louder" and turn up your your monitor volume control to make it louder.

That's it in a nutshell...."


And that is it in a nutshell, don't destroy the dynamics to a state that ties the hands of the mastering engineer. I hear mix engineers all of the time ask how much headroom to leave, -3dB, -6dB etc. More important than headroom (as long as you don't go over -0dBFs) is footroom and how much dynamic range is left for the ME to effectively master a project. Good advice, Bob.

[vernier]

Brandon, your recording sounds good! (I liked original mix w/more mids)..everything is clear, articulate ..I'd skip mastering.

[brandondrury]

Thanks for all the help dudes.  It was much appreciated.  No one completely bashed the hell out of it, so that makes me feel good.  As I'm still no where close to where I want to be, I'll take that as a step in the right direction.

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Sounds like a Bogner.

The guitar is actually a $200 Agile guitar (amazing guitars at any price, IMO) being ran through a 50 watt Rectifier (which I don't really like) and a late 70s 50 watt Master Volume Marshall.  The Marshall is what really made the tone work for me.  I used a R121 on the Recto and a AT 4033 on the Marshall both ran through a Vintech 1272.  I believe I had a AKG 414 as a room mic too.  We doubled the guitars.  

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These are all classic symptoms of buss-comp/limiters.

 I forget that people on this forum know how to turn up a volume knob.  Obviously, the mastering engineer got the version without  any 2 buss compression.

Brandon