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J.J. Blair

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Re: Please, comments about Neuman mics
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2005, 12:15:18 pm »

Tell your clients that Gefell is Neumann.  Gefell is the town in East Germany that Georg Neumann had as his second manufacturing plant, and is the only company in the world that makes actual M7 capsules, which were the original Neumann capsule used in everything from the CMV3 to the U47 and M49.

Here, read about it yourself: http://www.gefell-mics.com/gefell_history_1.htm

BTW, I stand corrected by William, the KM84 and KM86 are excellent mics.  I still am not a U87 fan, though.  They don't suck like the TLMs do, but for that kind of money, there are such better options.

But I will say I have not heard a single mic made by Neumann after they were purchased by Sennheiser, that I thought was worthy of the Neumann brand name.  If your clients are hung up on name brands, tell them the TLM 193 is really a Sennheiser.
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Re: Please, comments about Neuman mics
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2005, 07:57:35 pm »

thanks giys, you really helped me cheer up!lol
BTw.. what is Frigg?
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Re: Please, comments about Neuman mics
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2005, 03:00:39 am »

J.J. Blair wrote on Tue, 28 June 2005 17:15



But I will say I have not heard a single mic made by Neumann after they were purchased by Sennheiser, that I thought was worthy of the Neumann brand name.  If your clients are hung up on name brands, tell them the TLM 193 is really a Sennheiser.



As far as I know the TLM193 was already there before Sennheiser overtook Neumann.

The TLM193 is a U89 only with cardiaod pattern. It is like the U89 a dark sounding microphone.
I like the U89 more than the U87, becaucse it has more datailed highs (at hte same time smooth and not sharp at all) - everything sounds finer to me.
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Re: Please, comments about Neuman mics
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2005, 03:27:12 am »

Well, at least somebody likes the U89.  
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Re: Please, comments about Neuman mics
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2005, 08:55:12 am »

wwittman wrote on Tue, 28 June 2005 12:11

There isn't a TLM I like on anything.


Toms. The TLM103 is very convenient for this use. Of course, nothing beats a U47FET for percussion, but it's no longer being made.

TLM or not, red or purple logo, Neumann mics are still a better option than those Hoang-Ho mics flooding the market today.

And if your artist still requests that particular non-convenient mic, put whatever you know is better, turn the lights off and say it's a custom edition of it.  Twisted Evil
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« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2005, 12:28:51 pm »

Folks,

Before I begin- I am relatively new to the Pro Sound World, and I dont do this for a living... yet.  Once upon a time, I worked in FM Radio as talent, production and techie.

Now- I own a Studio Projects C1 LDC mic, and a C4 SDC kit.

I use the C1 for voiceover, and vocals, and the C4's have been used as live recording ambience mics (ORTF, XY), overhead XY for small Chamber Ensemble, and sometimes individually for mic'ing acoustic guitars.  

A C4 pair with omni capsules in ORTF formation gave me a marvelous airy expansive, and yet intimate sound.  (The plates and forks and glasses clinking faintly in the background of an acoustic Coffeehouse set)

I have worked with various Neumans before from radio, and I always found them a little tubby-sounding on announcers.

To me, if I can't trust my ears, I can't trust very much.  On that basis, I really like the SP mics, because they have given me such a consistently pleasing sound.

And for what they cost, there is not a better deal in pro mics anywhere, IMNSHO.  Forget the name appeal and brand cults... I LOVE 'em!

Another well-kept secret is the Samson C01, which really kicks ass for live vocals.  EVERY vocalist at my coffeehouse has gushed about the way they sound, and the great sensitivity allows me to place them farther away, so the talent feels much less crowded.  They are equally lovely when micing acoustic guitars.  While I would not normally use LDC's in a live open-mic venue, the $80.00 price tag makes them practically "expendable," and besides, if they ever crap out, you can always use them to hammer nails or subdue unruly patrons.  The silly, blindingly-bright blue LED is easily tamed with a snip of masking tape, if the vocalist does not wish to wear sunglasses.

I would love to hear any comments based on actual experience and comparisons to other units.

Thanks!

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Re: Please, comments about Neuman mics
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2005, 04:25:24 pm »

Now there's a character!
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Re: Please, comments about Neuman mics
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2005, 05:36:20 pm »

J.J. Blair wrote on Wed, 29 June 2005 08:27

Well, at least somebody likes the U89.  


And guess what. The reason is not only taste.

If you use microphones for recording acoustical ensembles the off-axes frequency response is very important - regardless if you use the mics as a main pair / main arrangement (Tecca Tree, surround arraya) or as spot mics.

If the off axes response is not good you will have no chance to make a good recording with a main pair/array. And also it is difficult to integrate the spot mics in the mix. Instruments coming from off axis sound very colored and you do not really know how to equalize, because instruments on axis sound right.

With Neumann or Schoeps microphones you do not have this problem. There are of course a lot other companies making good microphones, but some cheap models which can sound great on single sources are useless for recordings decribed above.

The U89 behaves great as main system or spot microphone - at least. Very Happy
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Re: Chinese Condensors?
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2005, 05:47:28 pm »

Radi0welle wrote on Wed, 29 June 2005 17:28


A C4 pair with omni capsules in ORTF formation gave me a marvelous airy expansive, and yet intimate sound.  (The plates and forks and glasses clinking faintly in the background of an acoustic Coffeehouse set)


It is impossible to built a ORTF formation with omnis.

ORTF means the microphones are spaced 175 mm wide at an angle of 110 degrees. The idea is based on the research of Williams and the relation between time and level of the 2 microphones.

With omnis you only had time differences and almost no level differences, even when an instrument/voice comes from far left/right.

I believe that you can really get a "marvelous airy, ... " sound because of the relatively norrow spaced pair of omnis, but that has nothing to do with the idea implemented in ORTF.
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« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2005, 06:31:52 pm »

Thank you for pointing out the precise definition of ORTF, which I am already familiar with.  That's precisely why I said "Formation"- it was an experiment that yielded good results.  I used the 110 deg, etc. formation, but with omni capsules.  I should have been more clear in my original description.
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Re: Please, comments about Neuman mics
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2005, 11:02:17 am »

The singer insists on singing glued to the pop screen. Blergh!
Boominess and other proximity sideeefects... and claims it is intimacy!!!I really did not enjoy this TLM 103...for this specific application...
I shall be picking a TLM 193 just to satisfy her Brand boutique dilemma request

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Re: Please, comments about Neuman mics
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2005, 11:23:43 am »

Sounds like you should buy an RE20 while you're at it ... so that you can club the singer ove the head with it.   Very Happy
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Re: Please, comments about Neuman mics
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2005, 12:39:55 pm »

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Re: Please, comments about Neuman mics
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2005, 02:34:16 pm »

Sure I tried it also.. but the talent insists to glue.
Maybe she thinks that the pop screen is the Neumanns Condom!LOL

Blowed jobbed vocals! Very Happy
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Re: Please, comments about Neuman mics
« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2005, 02:54:55 pm »

J.J. Blair wrote on Thu, 30 June 2005 11:23

Sounds like you should buy an RE20 while you're at it ... so that you can club the singer ove the head with it.   Very Happy



I prefer the MD421 for bashing singers over the head. I have yet to screw one up, although I did dent the grille slightly on one with a conehead that I had to bash last month.
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