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"Weiss on a card"
« on: June 19, 2005, 04:07:25 pm »

I would be psyched if Weiss decided to put their hardware eq/comps onto dedicated PCI slot cards.

That way D.W. can control the dsp architecture and copy-protection scheme, but we won't have to pay for the extra expense of a rackmount box with i/o, knobs, displays, psu's, etc.

Anybody else like this idea? Very Happy

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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2005, 04:25:15 pm »

genericperson wrote on Sun, 19 June 2005 21:07

I would be psyched if Weiss decided to put their hardware eq/comps onto dedicated PCI slot cards.

That way D.W. can control the dsp architecture and copy-protection scheme, but we won't have to pay for the extra expense of a rackmount box with i/o, knobs, displays, psu's, etc.

Anybody else like this idea? Very Happy




Based on his post from an earlier thread on this forum I think Daniel Weiss actually like this idea too.  I certainly would jump on board if the EQ and DS were ported to PCI card with access to the plugs in a native format such as DX or VST that could be loaded into the host app of your choice if it was priced at around 1 to 2 g's.

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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2005, 05:16:04 pm »

He is working on a multi-channel DSP platform in an external case which will link to the host via firewire and use a plug-in architecture in the host app.
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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2005, 06:07:28 pm »

I just drooled all over my shirt...   Shocked
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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2005, 09:55:56 pm »

The idea definitely has it's advantages... save and recall easily, etc...

You could brag to all the IT guys that you have SHARCs in your computer...

If the PCI slot format still has a bright future, I would imagine you'd get greater throughput using the slot rather than a firewire port.

I just don't want to relive the Mac NuBus to Mac PCI transition again.
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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2005, 01:45:08 am »

Bob Boyd wrote on Sun, 19 June 2005 20:55

I just don't want to relive the Mac NuBus to Mac PCI transition again.


Ouch !!! ...that really hurts... did you have to bring that one up Bob ?  Very Happy

Seriously though, Weiss EQ in a firewire box, or a PCI card...
I'd go for that in a Swiss pico-second !  Cool

p.s. whassup with the new PCI-X cards ?
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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2005, 03:00:47 am »

Bob Boyd wrote on Mon, 20 June 2005 02:55



If the PCI slot format still has a bright future, I would imagine you'd get greater throughput using the slot rather than a firewire port.


I guess PCI does have higher potential throughput, but if TC's firewire Powercore platform is anything to go by then firewire should still be able to provide all the throughput that is likely to be needed!

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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2005, 10:11:52 am »

JayTea wrote on Mon, 20 June 2005 06:45


p.s. whassup with the new PCI-X cards ?




From my understanding (which as a disclaimer might not be perfect) they should have nearly double the through put of the standard PCI buss.  I believe you'll need a new motherboard with PCI-X slots to use the cards but apparently the slots will be backwards compatible with standard PCI cards.

If this is inaccurate someone please post a correction!

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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2005, 02:53:54 pm »

Well, here it is from the man himself...

I emailed Daniel about the possibility of a PCI card and he replied:

"A PCI card is too small for our requirements.

Regards,
Daniel"
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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2005, 07:18:13 pm »

That's good 411, Bob.

I would have thought that most of the 19" rackmount was pretty open inside, kind of like an Akai sampler!

If Protools can fit all of their processor stuff on their super-mix Accel card (or whatever the latest is), I would have thought Weiss could have crammed a bunch of Sharcs on a full-length card and be done with it.

I would buy one card for one function.  Like a card just for the DS1mkII, and another one for something else like the eq-dyn.

My computer has 5 pci slots.  I'd let Weiss hog the remaining slots no problem.

This external firewire box sounds great.  I just hope it doesn't get too fancy and be up at the $7000 price point.  I'd simply like a stereo DS-1 MK II card for $2000.  I'd pair that up with the Algorhythmix Orange and Red, plus a few other dsp things and be ready to party.

The DS-1 MKII is wicked, but at $7000 it's killing me.  I'm still saving up for my playback system!  Embarassed
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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2005, 11:59:54 pm »

Bob Boyd wrote on Mon, 20 June 2005 11:53

Well, here it is from the man himself...

I emailed Daniel about the possibility of a PCI card and he replied:

"A PCI card is too small for our requirements.

Regards,
Daniel"

I'm not qualified to get Daniel's lunch, but I wonder.  Today's fancy video card has more horsepower than a lowly stereo eq, doesn't it? And a wire straight to the PSU.

A Watt or two per part shouldn't be a problem, even if you have four or five big ones.

Even Sonic was able to get five 56k's in there!

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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2005, 12:22:33 am »

dcollins wrote on Tue, 21 June 2005 04:59

Bob Boyd wrote on Mon, 20 June 2005 11:53

Well, here it is from the man himself...

I emailed Daniel about the possibility of a PCI card and he replied:

"A PCI card is too small for our requirements.

Regards,
Daniel"

I'm not qualified to get Daniel's lunch, but I wonder.  Today's fancy video card has more horsepower than a lowly stereo eq, doesn't it? And a wire straight to the PSU.

A Watt or two per part shouldn't be a problem, even if you have four or five big ones.

Even Sonic was able to get five 56k's in there!

DC



Yeah - it doesn't make sense to me either.  The recent Sydec Mixpander PCI card, for example, has _9_ Motorola DSP chips on it - nothing to sneeze at considering this card is capable of 64 independent audio streams routed through 32busses while powering power hungry plugs like the CEDAR & TC stuff at the same time.  Why couldn't that kind of power be concentrated to just run 6 channels of the EQ & DS??

also - It doubly doesn't make sense to me considering that in most cases external Firewire devices end up routed through the PCI buss anyway!

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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2005, 12:32:38 am »

dcollins wrote on Tue, 21 June 2005 05:59

Bob Boyd wrote on Mon, 20 June 2005 11:53

Well, here it is from the man himself...

I emailed Daniel about the possibility of a PCI card and he replied:

"A PCI card is too small for our requirements.

Regards,
Daniel"

I'm not qualified to get Daniel's lunch, but I wonder.  Today's fancy video card has more horsepower than a lowly stereo eq, doesn't it? And a wire straight to the PSU.

A Watt or two per part shouldn't be a problem, even if you have four or five big ones.

Even Sonic was able to get five 56k's in there!

DC




Well, the raw horsepower would fit on a PCI, agreed, but we had some other design constraints, like:
- platform independence, i.e. not only PC or MAC but also hardware type remote control w/o computer (e.g. for products we plan in our highend-hifi department or for specific one of a kind applications or for OEMs).

- versatile, modular audio interfacing, including analog for certain applications, which would mean a breakout box if we used a PCI card.

- Modularity of DSP power which allows for upgrading in terms of number of DSPs as well as type of DSPs (new generations of DSPs).

- protection of intellectual property, which is simpler in an external box.

- physical presence of a Weiss box - which looks good in any studio  Smile

The Powerhouse (as we call the box) has the following features:
- Up to 10 Sharc DSPs (5 modules at 2 sharcs each) with a total of up to 80 MWords of fast RAM
- 4 slots for audio interfaces, the first interface we designed is an 8 channel AES/EBU I/O in one slot
- versatile syncing, (almost) no restrictions to sampling rates, e.g. DXD is possible
- Ethernet / firewire connection to the host computer
- MIDI / RS232 ports for special applications

Daniel
www.weiss.ch
(there isn't anything about the Powerhouse on our site yet)

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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2005, 12:36:07 am »

Daniel Weiss wrote on Tue, 21 June 2005 05:32



Well, the raw horsepower would fit on a PCI, agreed, but we had some other design constraints, like:
- platform independence, i.e. not only PC or MAC but also hardware type remote control w/o computer (e.g. for products we plan in our highend-hifi department or for specific one of a kind applications or for OEMs).

- versatile, modular audio interfacing, including analog for certain applications, which would mean a breakout box if we used a PCI card.

- Modularity of DSP power which allows for upgrading in terms of number of DSPs as well as type of DSPs (new generations of DSPs).

- protection of intellectual property, which is simpler in an external box.

- physical presence of a Weiss box - which looks good in any studio  Smile

The Powerhouse (as we call the box) has the following features:
- Up to 10 Sharc DSPs (5 modules at 2 sharcs each) with a total of up to 80 MWords of fast RAM
- 4 slots for audio interfaces, the first interface we designed is an 8 channel AES/EBU I/O in one slot
- versatile syncing, (almost) no restrictions to sampling rates, e.g. DXD is possible
- Ethernet / firewire connection to the host computer
- MIDI / RS232 ports for special applications

Daniel
www.weiss.ch
(there isn't anything about the Powerhouse on our site yet)




Cool stuff - thanks so much for filling us in on the details.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

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Re: "Weiss on a card"
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2005, 12:50:08 am »

It sounds awesome, and sounds like $7000.  Sad

I store my computers in a closet, so nothing to look at there!

I guess I'm wierd; I like PCI cards.

Phrased another way, it would be real nice to have a way to have the DS-1 MKII processing for $2000, but if it's always married to some sort of elaborate hardware, that price point will never arrive.

Even if it were native with a USB dongle, I'd be willing to scrap my motherboard and go get the latest 3.6gig pentium to run it.
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