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[zakco]

Hello all,

I recently purchased a plextor premium CD-R burner and I have been having trouble getting the C1/C2/CU error report graph to print. When I choose the print option, I get several pages of system and drive information in text format, but not the actual error report.

I noticed from one of Brad's production masters that he is able to print the error report.

What am I missing?

Thanks,

Zak Cohen - The Woodshop Studio  

[Jeff Baggett]

Right Click in the graph area and choose print

[zakco]

Man....I knew it had to be something simple. Sometimes I can be a bit of a dumbass when it comes to seeing the obvious. Having said that, the manual is not so helpful in that dept.

Thanks a bunch for the insight.

-Zak

[Chris Cavell]

I right click, save as html, print that, and save it with my backup.

[zakco]

Chris Cavell wrote on Sat, 11 June 2005 14:08

I right click, save as html, print that, and save it with my backup.

Good plan, I think I'll do the same.

-Z-

[TotalSonic]

Slightly OT of this thread - has anyone upgraded to Plextools Pro XL? - and if so - what are the features that you are finding useful that aren't in the standard Plextools Pro?

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[Jerry Tubb]

zakco wrote on Sat, 11 June 2005 15:51

Sometimes I can be a bit of a dumbass when it comes to seeing the obvious.

Not really... I had to ask the same question a couple months ago.

I also found the print preferences where you can print in black...

easier to read, & saves on those pricey color cartridges.  

[James Perrett]

TotalSonic wrote on Sat, 11 June 2005 22:42

Slightly OT of this thread - has anyone upgraded to Plextools Pro XL? - and if so - what are the features that you are finding useful that aren't in the standard Plextools Pro? Best regards, Steve Berson

I was looking for an excuse to post this and this thread seems as good a place as any. Just go to http://www.plextor-europe.com/press/all/releases.asp?choice= Software and click on the latest press release for news of a fairly major new feature for people like us. The latest Plextools will automatically check the blank disc for flaws before recording, record the disc, verify that recorded data matches the original file and then check the disc for C1/C2 type errors after recording. You can then produce a full report which can be sent to the pressing plant with the master disc. While the data verification is all working in the current version, unfortunately the audio verify function isn't there in 3.02 but it is likely to be there in 3.03.

The other major feature for me in the XL version is the ability to save and load projects (both audio and data) and also work from CDRWin style cue files. I find cue files to be a great way of storing information about a CD layout - not only are they readable by a variety of burning programs but they are also human readable and easily edited to add things like CD Text or ISRC's.

Cheers.

James.

[zakco]

Question for James and others:

I use wavelab to create the CD layout, track pauses etc....I've only been using plextools for error checking so far.

Are you using plextools to burn the discs as well as check for errors? If so, are you creating an image in other program first or using plextools for the complete layout process? If you are creating a disc image first, what file format are you using?

Thanks,

-Zak

[James Perrett]

I've always used cue files. I started when CDRWin was the only affordable way to produce DAO discs suitable for use as a replication master. This was in the days when I was running a general recording studio rather than the more specialised studio that I have now so specialised mastering programs would have been too expensive to be justified.

My method is to produce a finished single master .wav file in whatever software I like. In the old days I started off entering the track marker positions by hand into the cue file but gradually gathered a few useful programs together like CDWave which allowed me to streamline this a little. I still enter ISRC's and CD Text by hand because this keeps everything in the cue file. I would then burn the disc in CDRWin or, more recently, Feurio. I've been using Plextools XL to burn cue files for a few weeks now - I'm sure I could use it to enter CD Text and ISRC's as well but it will only save them to a proprietrary layout format at the moment (I think). I'm sure my working method sounds a little more cumbersome than just using a single program but I'm comfortable with it.

Cheers.

James.

[Chris Cavell]

zakco wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 10:33

Question for James and others: I use wavelab to create the CD layout, track pauses etc....I've only been using plextools for error checking so far. Are you using plextools to burn the discs as well as check for errors? If so, are you creating an image in other program first or using plextools for the complete layout process? If you are creating a disc image first, what file format are you using? Thanks, -Zak

As far as I know, you can't burn from images and cue sheets without the new Plextools XL.  However, there are hundreds of programs that can burn from images and cue sheets (many of them free)...it seems to be a universally accepted format that isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so I create them for my backups.  You can create them in wavelab by hitting the render button in the master section of a montage, setting the right format settings (44.1 kHz 16 bit) and checking the right checkbox (create image and cue sheet).

Now if only steinberg included DDP-Solution as part of Wavelab instead of an add-on package, it'd be golden as disc authoring software goes.  As far as mastering software...they could really stand to improve their SRC algos and allow hardware i/o in the master section.

Cheers,
Chris

[zakco]

Chris Cavell wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 04:11

As far as I know, you can't burn from images and cue sheets without the new Plextools XL.  However, there are hundreds of programs that can burn from images and cue sheets (many of them free)...it seems to be a universally accepted format that isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so I create them for my backups.  You can create them in wavelab by hitting the render button in the master section of a montage, setting the right format settings (44.1 kHz 16 bit) and checking the right checkbox (create image and cue sheet).

What would be the advantage to creating an image and cue sheet in Wavelab and then burning the master in a different application? Is Wavelab inferior in some way when creating production masters?

[James Perrett]

zakco wrote on Fri, 17 June 2005 04:53

What would be the advantage to creating an image and cue sheet in Wavelab and then burning the master in a different application? Is Wavelab inferior in some way when creating production masters?

It is more a case of the image and cue file being more universal - and human readable. In 20 years time when Wavelab is obsolete you probably won't be able to read its cd layout files. You'll still be able to read the cue files with a basic text editor. I'd also like to see Plextools extend its verify functionality so that it can verify any audio disc against its cue file - not just immediately after it burns a disc. This would make the ability to produce cue files more important in other software.

Cheers.

James.

[Chris Cavell]

jamesp wrote on Fri, 17 June 2005 10:07

It is more a case of the image and cue file being more universal - and human readable. In 20 years time when Wavelab is obsolete you probably won't be able to read its cd layout files. You'll still be able to read the cue files with a basic text editor.

Bingo.  I've learned that there are very few formats that stand the test of time in any digital media.  In terms of digital audio, based solely on what the cue sheet and image are made of, it seems to me the best option to ensure the longevity of a backup.  I have no idea how long steinberg or wavelab will be around, whether or not they'll even continue a backward compatible montage format...you can really apply that logic to any particular piece of software for that matter.  The image + cue sheet is pretty infallible though...even if the format becomes defunct, you can easily recreate the exact original just by reading the cue sheet in a text editor and applying everything to the image (one long pcm wave file) manually.

As far as I know, there are no technical advantages regarding authoring or burning with wavelab versus plextools or some other program.  But the auto-check features in XL post burn are attractive...

[Jerry Tubb]

Chris Cavell wrote on Fri, 17 June 2005 16:23

I have no idea how long steinberg or wavelab will be around

Hey Chris,

Didn't I read that Yamaha bought Steinberg?

Peace