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innesireinar

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Mono vs Stereo el. drum hits
« on: May 04, 2005, 10:39:04 AM »

Most of the times building an arrangment when choosing some drum hits from drum plugins like Battery etc. there are some sounds that seem in mono even whether they come out from both LR channels, expecially speaking of kicks. Therefore bouncing to disk, then importing the region within this sound I've noticed that choosing only L(or R) region instead of both LR stereo region and rising the level about 3dB higher it's pratically the same. Given that I'm on LE system with 32 audio tracks only, to save a track it's like to find gold.
What do you do in these cases, when you're sure the hit is a mono hit? Do you use both channels or use only one?
Thanx
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Re: Mono vs Stereo el. drum hits
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2005, 09:36:54 PM »

1.  listen in mono
2.  try the left side alone
3.  try the right side alone
4.  try both sides at once
5.  pick whichever one sounds best (in mono)

If they all sound the same, use either side alone. Smile
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Re: Mono vs Stereo el. drum hits
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2005, 09:44:39 PM »

innesireinar wrote on Wed, 04 May 2005 10:39

Most of the times building an arrangment when choosing some drum hits from drum plugins like Battery etc. there are some sounds that seem in mono even whether they come out from both LR channels, expecially speaking of kicks. Therefore bouncing to disk, then importing the region within this sound I've noticed that choosing only L(or R) region instead of both LR stereo region and rising the level about 3dB higher it's pratically the same. Given that I'm on LE system with 32 audio tracks only, to save a track it's like to find gold.
What do you do in these cases, when you're sure the hit is a mono hit? Do you use both channels or use only one?
Thanx



When you center pan either L or R and have to turn it up 3dB, it is most likely a mono recording split to stereo, IOW, one kick mic. The 3dB difference is panning law, so when you do that they are likely the same mono signals going to L and R. If stereo fx were used, the mono recorded kick into an FX processor and out stereo, you may lose some of the depth or whatever the original mix guy intended. To confirm that its mono, reverse phase on either L or R and center pan both channels, if it's mono it will null, if it's stereo effected, all you'll hear is the effects.
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Re: Mono vs Stereo el. drum hits
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2005, 09:50:24 PM »


I forgot to answer the last question. It all depends on the mix that the kick is going to be in on whether to go stereo or mono. I often pan kick and bass guitar slightly opposite of center, very slight of center, keeps them from stepping in each others space, fill outs the stereo image a little better, the isolation allows better eq'ing of the kick and bass. The listener doesn't perceive the kick and bass as being off center, as the pan trajectories are still close together, but this little bit can open up a mix and make it sound fuller, than a mix with kick and bass center panned. In that case I'd use the mono kick and save a track and processing power.
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Re: Mono vs Stereo el. drum hits
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2005, 07:38:20 AM »

Thank you for your inputs.
Because of the fact that I like to work with virtual as longer as possible before bouncing to disk because by this way I am able to change quickly the rhythmic sound (or add some edit like amp and/or filter envelopes etc.) even when mixing, I don't understand why most of plugs houses don't provides mono version of their product (speaking of virtual instruments). It could be easy instead of assign the VI aux to a bus then to another mono aux for saving CPU when I'm going to process this sound by dyn, eq etc.
Last Christmas I've switched from Logic to PT LE (I hope during this year switching to HD sys) but what I've appreciated in Logic were the mono versions of most of its virtual, expecially of the EXS. There are many good sounds library of el basses, el guitars, el pianos that are mono and I don't understand why using sample player of NI or others I have to use a stereo aux channel.
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