Sean then described an early limiter designed by RCA using a variable
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« Reply #67 on: March 02, 2005, 07:27:13 PM »
| Otitis Media wrote on Wed, 02 March 2005 09:22 |
If you listen to the disc, Boulevard sounds really good. The whole album sounds good, IMHO. It's loud as fuck, and has that aggressive L-A sound, but it works.
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Well, no offense, but I listened to the CD version today, and it is also too loud... way too loud. That's for my taste, anyway. More important and to my original point, if it sounds that bad on the radio, can anyone consider it a well mastered recording? Isn't the role of a mastering engineer to make sure the recording sounds as good as possible in a wide variety of situations? Before you answer it's not the mastering engineer's responsibility, I say hogwash. I think, IMHO, a mastering engineer should have an Optimod (or whatever multiband compressor or signal chain they're using these days, it's been many years since I was in radio) in the room, to demonstrate for the idiots who are making the decision exactly how shitty this is going to sound on the radio.
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« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2005, 07:48:17 PM »
| Level wrote on Wed, 02 March 2005 13:36 |
If you take the analog input of the SV3700/3800 and crank it up into the red and use the digital out, you will see the limiter in action.
I have 2 of them and both do this.
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It's not a limiter, it just that the digital out isn't showing overs. DC
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« Reply #69 on: March 02, 2005, 09:07:51 PM »
It certainly acts like a brickwall filter from hell.
What do you call a device that allows you to keep punching up the gain and the peaks stay the same??
Compresson and limiting.
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« Reply #70 on: March 02, 2005, 09:22:44 PM »
| Level wrote on Wed, 02 March 2005 20:07 |
It certainly acts like a brickwall filter from hell.
What do you call a device that allows you to keep punching up the gain and the peaks stay the same??
Compresson and limiting.
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No, Bill, it's simply called clipping. There are no limiters in these machines.
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« Reply #71 on: March 02, 2005, 10:25:13 PM »
The waves are not squared off like a clip. No red digital lights saying "over".(post input...after SV) The rms Is brought way the hell up. Try it. You get no argument from me. I would never use it like that anyway (professionally)...but it has been done. I have real equipment to give real results and not a stinky use of a box for making things ugly. MY POINT..is it has been used this way to jack up the level. 11 years ago I saw it actually. I visit certain small project studios that used it this way and I have to take the Louisville slugger out and teach. The wave shape looks just like what you get from compression and limiting...it does not "crack" or clip violently. Look and you will see. Just hook it up and look will ya?? I hate being called a liar when I know better. Scotty, you there?? http://www.tangible-technology.com/audiobasics/levels/level. html
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« Reply #72 on: March 03, 2005, 12:34:51 AM »
Does anybody still use a DAT anymore?
My 3800 had been nothing but a CD player stand for the last three years or more.
I think it still works, but if I ever have a DAT arrive to be played I'm going to play an older tape for a bit to make sure it doesn't decide to make a lunch out of the client's tape.
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« Reply #73 on: March 03, 2005, 01:03:12 AM »
The beginnings of the DAT (portion of) discussion was about the useage 11 years ago.
I use mine at times as a client sends them. Either the Sony 7050 or the 3700. The 3800 is about to be tossed.
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« Reply #74 on: March 03, 2005, 05:40:31 AM »
| Level wrote on Wed, 02 March 2005 21:25 |
The wave shape looks just like what you get from compression and limiting...it does not "crack" or clip violently.
Look and you will see.
Just hook it up and look will ya??
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No need, Bil - I worked at a three room facility that only printed to DAT for 5 years before they switched to Masterlinks, mastering virtually everything that came through there. I am intimately familiar with the action of the 3700 and 3800, and there is no limiter in the path, regardless of analog or digital input. That's 14 different DAT machines, none of which exhibited the behavior you are describing You must have a special machine.
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