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compasspnt

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Shakira Drums
« on: February 19, 2005, 08:28:46 pm »

This came as a PM, but I thought it might be a good topic as well, so:

bigbone wrote on Sat, 19 February 2005 08:46

Hi sorry to disturb you like that, i'm [.....] a drummer from montreal , canada, and i [read] in one of the threads, that you did a session for the shakira album with abe jr, i got this album and the drum sound [is] amasing, here my question,,,,,
Can you remember the mic and the preamp that you use to record the drums, and a couple of tips,,(only if it's possible) of howy tou did the tracking,,,,

I realy appreciate the time that you will spend to answer,,,,,,



Hello Jean,

Thanks for the question.

Abe Jr. was an amazing drummer to work with.  His time is impeccable, and he controls the dynamics extremely well.

The drums were tracked on a Neve 80xx series console, so the pre's would have been the good old Neve discrete ones.  Once again, no outboard pre's, just a great console!

The mics were all old Neumann valves.  There was very minimal mic'ing.  I used an M-49 in cardiod higher than normal over the snare.  This was the snare, high hat, drummer's-left crash, and rack tom mic.  I then used another cardiod M-49 positioned between the ride and right-side crash, over the floor tom.  This mic picked up the drummer's-right side of the kit.  The 49's were not placed for any x/y or m/s stereo, but were moved for every song to pick up the best balance of tom-to-cymbal or snare-to-tom-to-hat-to-cymbal ratio.  For example, when ride was heavy, and floor tom was important, the mic was placed accordingly.

The only other mic was a Neumann U47 on the bass drum.  This again was moved for each song, to the best position for that track.  Sometimes it was placed on the beater side of the bass drum.  Sometimes it was placed on the front head side.  At other times, a second, resonant bass drum was placed in front of the 'regular' bass drum, for extra ring or extra bottom resonance.  The 47 was placed in between these at most times, occasionally in omni, occasionally in cardiod, whatever fit the track best.  (IMPORTANT:  Care was always taken that excess air movement did not hit the capsule directly!)

Three mics, three tracks, one great drummer.

All of this was recorded onto 499 analogue tape, along with the bass guitar, before moving it all into Protools.

Thanks for your interest!

Terry
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Re: Shakira Drums
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2005, 08:42:01 pm »

Hello terry

Thank's for the answer on the Shakira session with abe jr, i realy appreciate,
And you don't have to tell me how great Abe Jr, is.....i'm one of his bigest fan
north of the border, and again , that shakira album sound great,,,thank's again.

P.S, i guess abe Jr, use his DW kits....you better say yes for the sake of is endorsement,,,,hihihih

Bigbone
Montreal, canada
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Re: Shakira Drums
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2005, 09:18:07 pm »

bigbone wrote on Sat, 19 February 2005 20:42

...i guess abe Jr, use his DW kits....you better say yes for the sake of is endorsement...


Yes, of course!

DW shipped in whatever Abe wanted, two full kits' worth of everything.
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Re: Shakira Drums
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2005, 09:21:21 pm »

bigbone wrote on Sat, 19 February 2005 17:42

Hello terry

Thank's for the answer on the Shakira session with abe jr, i realy appreciate,
And you don't have to tell me how great Abe Jr, is.....i'm one of his bigest fan
north of the border, and again , that shakira album sound great,,,thank's again.

P.S, i guess abe Jr, use his DW kits....you better say yes for the sake of is endorsement,,,,hihihih

Bigbone
Montreal, canada


I was at school with Abe, and he was a standout even then. He was a powerful hitter too. A good, well-tuned kit with a good player player who knows how to hit 'em is the biggest part of a great drum sound, but we all knew that already. Another person there at the time was Carlos Paucar, who also was involved in the Shakira album as an engineer. Carlos used to play guitar in a Steve Vai/Frank Zappa band and really had the parts down. Fun times. Also in that circle of people at the time was an amazing bassist, Wes Wehmiller, who passed away a couple weeks ago. It's sad to lose such a talent so young.
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Re: Shakira Drums
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2005, 09:24:08 pm »

I know that DW are the best,,,,,,i'm one of there endorse in Montreal.....Smile
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Re: Shakira Drums
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2005, 09:38:14 pm »

jfrigo wrote on Sat, 19 February 2005 21:21



I was at school with Abe, and he was a standout even then. He was a powerful hitter too. A good, well-tuned kit with a good player player who knows how to hit 'em is the biggest part of a great drum sound, but we all knew that already. Another person there at the time was Carlos Paucar, who also was involved in the Shakira album as an engineer. Carlos used to play guitar in a Steve Vai/Frank Zappa band and really had the parts down. Fun times. Also in that circle of people at the time was an amazing bassist, Wes Wehmiller, who passed away a couple weeks ago. It's sad to lose such a talent so young.



Hi Jay.

Very sorry to hear about Wes.  What happened?

Yes, of course I know Carlos well...nice guy!

Hard to beat Abe...

Best,

Terry
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Re: Shakira Drums
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2005, 09:43:19 pm »

From another Forum, but appropriate here:

Ryan Moore wrote on Sat, 19 February 2005 07:30

Great drummer,

I read an interview where he mentioned some Shakira sessions, I assume those ones?,  as being his most traumatic studio experience, or something to that effect due to the infamous lack of the artiste knowing what they were looking for...


Well, there was certainly drummer-artiste friction, but I'd better not comment on that!  This was indeed the session, and the interview was printed a year or so ago in one of the drummer magazines...

TM
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2005, 10:33:45 pm »

Terry, if you get time, here is a site dedicated to Wes.

I don't know what happened and have not looked into it.

Here it is:

http://www.wez.smugmug.com/
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2005, 10:57:50 am »

I was at school w/ Abe & Wes, too. Got the call about Wes a couple of weeks ago, right after he died, I guess. What an awful thing.

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2005, 11:39:57 am »

Level wrote on Sat, 19 February 2005 19:33

Terry, if you get time, here is a site dedicated to Wes.

I don't know what happened and have not looked into it.

Here it is:

http://www.wez.smugmug.com/


Bryan Beller, a friend and another amazing bass player, was very close to Wes and also put up a rememberance page at:
http://www.bryanbeller.com/wes/

It happened in his sleep. I haven't heard the definitive cause, but there was speculation that it may have been related to his medication for a continuing minor health issue. Very sad.
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Re: Shakira Drums
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2005, 11:14:17 pm »

Truly sad.This is a link to the obiturary.  http://www.capegazette.com/pages/obitpage.html#Anchor-John-4 9575

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2005, 12:39:21 am »

Bernard Carriere wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 20:14

Truly sad.This is a link to the obiturary.   http://www.capegazette.com/pages/obitpage.html#Anchor-John-4 9575


Thank you for the link. It was a nicely written obituary.
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Re: Shakira Drums
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2005, 12:22:46 pm »

I had thought that Abe's tracks didnt make the record and she ended up using her Live guy....just rumour?

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Re: Shakira Drums
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2005, 12:42:48 pm »

ajcamlet wrote on Tue, 22 February 2005 12:22

I had thought that Abe's tracks didnt make the record and she ended up using her Live guy....just rumour?

ajc


Hi Alan,

Abe Jr.'s tracks definitely did make the record...in my opinion, they were irreplaceable, but that's just my opinion in Shakira's case.

But her live guy, Brendan Buckley, who is also a very good drummer, did play on a couple of the tracks, from the very beginning, as did other players from her live group.  This was all planned in advance (Brendan co-wrote a song, and had participated in the demo sessions), and had nothing to do with any later acrimony between drummer and artiste.  Abe was also properly credited.

Thanks for the question!

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Re: Shakira Drums
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2005, 10:29:52 pm »

Just my oppinion,,,,,you got to be out of your mind to erase track by abe,,,,i never hear
this guys play a bad track,,and he's got to much attitude to erase is track,,,no matter is you don't get along with him,,,,let your ego at the door, and let the man play those great drum track


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Re: Shakira Drums
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2005, 09:59:19 am »

thanks for clarifiying Terry!!!

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Re: Shakira Drums
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2005, 07:42:23 pm »

[quote title=compasspnt wrote on Sun, 20 February 2005 02:28]This came as a PM, but I thought it might be a good topic as well, so:

bigbone wrote on Sat, 19 February 2005 08:46

Hi sorry to disturb you like that, i'm [.....] a drummer from montreal , canada, and i [read] in one of the threads, that you did a session for the shakira album with abe jr, i got this album and the drum sound [is] amasing, ...





Hi Terry, I play violin and guitar. Hearing the Shakira record my first thought was " The recording engineer must be a guitar player, the guitar sounds are brilliantly recorded with great love for fine nuances "
The next poster will probably be a singer, who noticed the vocal sound first...
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and stories here!
Kalle
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2005, 10:06:09 pm »

Kalle Ricken wrote on Thu, 24 February 2005 19:42

...Hearing the Shakira record my first thought was " The recording engineer must be a guitar player, the guitar sounds are brilliantly recorded with great love for fine nuances "...


Well, I am indeed a guitar player...not that good, but at least I have a guitar!

The players on this album were very good, and they, too were really into the nuances of the guitar tracks.  Tim Pierce, for one, and a great player named Brian  Ray, and also Tim Mitchell from Shaki's live band.  Tim used to play with Bob Seger (he replaced Rick Vito when RV left.)

Thanks,

Terry
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2005, 05:06:31 am »

aah, i'm only just starting to appreciate the pop-rock genius that is bob seger
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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2005, 11:46:46 am »

compasspnt wrote on Fri, 25 February 2005 03:06

Kalle Ricken wrote on Thu, 24 February 2005 19:42

...Hearing the Shakira record my first thought was " The recording engineer must be a guitar player, the guitar sounds are brilliantly recorded with great love for fine nuances "...


Well, I am indeed a guitar player...not that good, but at least I have a guitar!

The players on this album were very good, and they, too were really into the nuances of the guitar tracks.  Tim Pierce, for one, and a great player named Brian  Ray, and also Tim Mitchell from Shaki's live band.  Tim used to play with Bob Seger (he replaced Rick Vito when RV left.)

Thanks,

Terry


Tim Mitchell is a awesome player and person.

Terry, are you currently working on the new albums ? I would like to hear the new stuff. I heard good stuff about them.
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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2005, 02:37:08 pm »

If this Abe jr. is the guy who played drums for Paul during the superbowl halftime show, he is indeed a force of nature. I loved his drumming.
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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2005, 04:31:59 pm »

Yeah, Mac's lineup is pretty tight. His shows are like seeing the Beatles, (minus Lennon's voc's of course) but now you have better guitar amps, beter sound system, better venues, better schedule, no screaming chicks, so do I dare say that his concerts nowdays are (gulp) probably better than what you might have heard at a Beatles concert of the sixties? I think so.

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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2005, 06:00:14 pm »

Radd 47 wrote on Fri, 25 February 2005 21:31

Yeah, Mac's lineup is pretty tight. His shows are like seeing the Beatles, (minus Lennon's voc's of course) but now you have better guitar amps, beter sound system, better venues, better schedule, no screaming chicks, so do I dare say that his concerts nowdays are (gulp) probably better than what you might have heard at a Beatles concert of the sixties? I think so.




WHAT?!

Like seeing the Beatles? I don't think so.
Better amps? Hahaha

It was a great show tho.
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2005, 11:53:49 am »

I'll also give a shout out to Brendan Buckley.  In addition to being the nicest guy, he's one hell of a drummer.  I've cut tracks with him several times, including in a crappy studio with crappy mics and crappy pres, and his tracks still sounded terrific.

And on the subject of McCartney, his band is definitely hard to beat.  Rusty Anderson is an amazing guitarist.  The only other guy I could see being as good if not a better fit for Mac would be Jason Falkner.
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