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AyotteDrums

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What Neumann mic would you buy...
« on: February 09, 2005, 12:53:29 pm »

...If you wanted a good used all around mic for anything from vocals to room, etc.
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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2005, 01:10:16 pm »

without getting into vintage mics, a U87. i've used them as overheads, room mics, on gtr amps, bass amps, piano, percussion and occasionally on vocals (read that as rarely).
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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2005, 01:16:24 pm »

How do you feel about Soundelux mics?  Also, what would you suggest for vox?  I've always just used my 414BULS because that's consequently the nicest mic I have at the moment
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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2005, 01:26:10 pm »

You may want to look into renting a number of mics for a day and trying them out.  Or find a retailer that will let you try before you buy.  That way you can see which mic works best for you, on the stuff you generally record (and through the equipment you've got).

In terms of your initial question, I'd also say U87.  Soundelux mics are nice, too -- the E47 is great, as is their ELA-M 251 clone.  I also like the Lawson 47 clones (L47MP is probably the best buy of that set, for my money).

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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2005, 02:36:56 pm »

The modern neumann's leave much to be desired IMO.

I second the Soundelux line. We've got a U-95 at the shop that is pretty great for the money. It is now updated and called a U99, except for SPL handling i still like the U95 better for vox.

The E47 is a good bet too or the U195s, or the 251 clone. I don't own em but would if i didn't have to eat.
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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2005, 02:44:09 pm »

would some one please tell me what the difference is between a soundeluxe U-95, U-99 and U-195 is?

i'd vote for finding a U-95, they are brilliant sounding mics.

BLUE kiwi is awesome.

U87 is decent, not my fav.
if you can find one affordably i'd say a neumann U-67 would be stellar.

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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2005, 04:37:12 pm »

The U-95 was updated (I'm not the expert on this) to include a slightly different capsule and a more robust front end. Much like a Distressor i beleive that weak front end contributes to the character of the U-95. the U-99 was much more hyped a bit cleaner to my ears.

The tube u195(s?) went on to be the E47.

U-95/U-99 = U67 clones in marketing land.

The U195s was the U47 equivalent in Marketing land.

Soundelux has realized that using relatively the same numbers helps dumbass consumers make a leap of logic.

It's a great company, i wish i could afford more.  
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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2005, 06:03:14 pm »

87fet works for lots of things (not my favourite for any though).
TLM170 is also very good for many applications and less coloured.
47fets and KM84 are great for instruments (and some vox).
u47/48 valves are hard to beat, u67 great for lots of things but my
favourite is M49 (for vox and acoustic instruments). CMV-563 is
cool too but not that versatile. With 'new' valves I've had good experince
with M147 on acoustic and M149 on drum ambience and occasional vox.
Friend of mine loves it on banjo.

The one Neumann to have? Depends on your budget really.
I don't own one but would like to own a pair of TLM170s one day..
If I would win in lottery I'd get a pair of M49s. There are a bunch of
other manufacturers too. Why don't you hire a bunch of mics and try them
all? Hope this helps, Antti
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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2005, 12:37:49 am »

I'm lucky enough to work at a studio with a pair of u47s, a matched pair of u67s and an m49. All modified by Klaus. That being said we also have a u87 (klaus as well), a feti 47 and the soundelux u-195 that has been mentioned somewhere in this thread.

I'm assuming you are on some sort of budget so we'll skip the first 3. However, one of our 67s was out of commission for some time and we were able to put the 87 up (on overheads) in its place without much noticeable difference. This has a lot to do with the Klaus modifications I'm sure. I've worked with 'unmodified' u87s before and almost never been truly happy with the results.

I have tried the u-195 over and over again on a variety of things and have never really enjoyed its sound compared to some of the other stuff we have. Point being that I've been working at this particular studio for about three years now and haven't recorded a single thing with this microphone.

I have had a lot of luck with the Feti 47 as well. Both the 47 & 87 seem to work really well on everything from kick to overheads (on the drums), guitars, bass guitar, vocals, room mics, just about anything you can think of.

Klaus' modifications are well worth the money.

As somebody else suggested you should try a couple mics out before you buy one. Have fun!
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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2005, 05:45:47 am »

None.



I don't subscribe to the brand. I have owned them, don't need any more. Too colored overall. Don't need, unless you give me one. I sold them all to buy better for less. Sorry.

B&K junkie here.
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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2005, 10:31:43 am »

There is more to Neumann than Neumann/Sennheiser... there is also Microtech Gefell/Neumann... with that said the MTG/Neumann UMT-70 is absolutely one of my very favorite Neumann's...
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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2005, 11:28:49 am »

NoisyCricket wrote on Wed, 09 February 2005 11:53

...If you wanted a good used all around mic for anything from vocals to room, etc.



I've been really pleased with the M149 as room mic, vocal mic, acoustic instruments - haven't tried guitar amps, yet (except as a room mic on big, loud cabs).  Many patterns and simply "real" sounding to my ears.

I'm concerned that you limit your search to Neumann, though, NoisyCricket.  Perhaps you are needing "a client pleaser" or "gear list requirement"?  There are plenty of good recording mics out there, as many have pointed out.

Most recently I procured an old MicroTech Gefell UM70 (I think - its been discontiuned and replaced with the UMT70, there's also one with an "S"?).

Anyway, very impressed so far - genuine M7.  Three patterns - easier to employ that our CMV-563.  I like the M9 (omni cap) on the 563, though - haven't compared them yet.

Looking forward to some downtime to "shoot-out" the 563 (M7, M8 and M9 caps) versus the UM70 in all three patterns.

For my current project, the UM70 is the front-and-center mic on a Decca Tree-type apparatus.  Currently tracking rock drum kit to scratch guitar and bass parts.  Reproduces the room sound very faithfully.

Haven't tried it on vocals yet.

Happy hunting,

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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2005, 08:37:45 am »

the original post was referenced to neumann's, but further down I posted about soundelux mics..  I just am stepping up to a nicer mic and am curious as to what you all think.  I appreciate all the comments!

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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2005, 12:07:23 pm »

soundeluxe U-95 gets my hands down vote.

now you just have to find one.

Blue kiwi is another amazing choice and easier to find.
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Re: What Neumann mic would you buy...
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2005, 04:29:59 pm »

here in Brazil I had situations where "top" producers did not want to record with At4050s, C414s. They just could reach their sounnnnnnd if it were an U87 or a 149.
Unbelievable
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