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[tiggie]

mogwailoveyou wrote on Fri, 07 January 2005 22:28

rattleyour wrote on Fri, 07 January 2005 15:49 The new white belt is a beard. it's so sad...

I know. Beards are so not the sex. Formerly attractive indie boys now look like tramps. I'm gonna start a campaign against it.

[tiggie]

On a less shallow note...

"Indie" has a slightly different meaning in this country, and I'm not going to claim that all of this is necessarily indie, but...

Pixies - Doolittle
Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
Belle & Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
Jeff Buckley - Grace
Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
Pavement - Crooked Rain Crooken Rain
The Smiths - The Queen is Dead
Television - Marquee Moon
The Weakerthans - Left and Leaving

There's 10. A bit of a mixed bag.

[mogwailoveyou]

i must say i'm liking tiggie's list (i also think lord has a great essential foundations of indie list.) to me it seems like quite an essential indie list... not to bash but i really don't think vai should be on any of them, no matter how talented a guitarist he was. i mean if you need an amazing guitarist that had the most influence on indie i'd have to say hendrix, because not only was a master guitarist but he had a love for lo-fi technique (fuzz face power amped... mmmm)

[Brain21]

Dennis the menace wrote on Tue, 11 January 2005 13:16

(snip) Shred and instrumental sublist Racer-X - Second Heat Joey Taffola – Out of the Sun Steve Vai – Passion and Warfare Apocrypha – The Eyes of Time Michael Lee Firkins – Michael Lee Firkins Tony McAlpine – Edge of Insanity Joe Satriani – Not of this World Peace, Dennis

Hmm, why not Streat Lethal by Racer-X (their 1st album)?  I guess Shrapnel Records (most of the albums listed above were on Shrapnel Records, except the Vai & Satch records) were very much indie of a different genre.  Funny thing is that when those records came out in the mid to late 80s I was so into it, and I was also going to music school, where most of the guitarists there were into it.  I was taking semi-private lessons from Paul Gilbert & Gary Hoey, etc. & the whole thing did not seem indie at all.  I think when you are that immersed in it you just don't have the concept that that stuff was indie.  To you (me) it was normal, and ALL of your friends listened to it or at least knew about it even if they didnt like it, so it didn't sem indie stuff at all.

Now, I have pretty much no friends that listened to that stuff, so it is "indie" again in a way.  In fact, Lance on this MB is about my only friend in the "real world" that I have anymore that knew/knows about all of that late 80's shred stuff.  

Heres my indie/shred list just for the hell of it:

Racer-X - Street Lethal
Uli Jon Roth - Earthquake
Steeler - S/T
Frank Gambale - Brave New Guitar
Jason Becker - Perpetual Burn
Vinnie Moore - Minds Eye
Shawn Lane - Powers of 10
Steve Vai - Flex-Able
Dixie Dregs - The Great Spectacular
Joe Satriani - Not of This Earth
Praxis - Transmutations (Mutatis Mutandis)

I don't include P&W because it was released on Epic/Relativity, and Vai was already fairly well known at the time for being the "replacement" of sorts for Ediie VanHalen in that he was DLR's guitar player when DLR left VanHalen.

Alex F/Brain21

[Ross Hogarth]

So I have a request of J as the moderator ...
since I as a lover of all music and a lover of trying music i do not know ...
i would take advantage of this braintrust and go buy some music listed here
BUT
this thread kinda got a bit out of control and a bit off track at times and now i am having a hard time really getting a good list straight since i think the term indie was a bit stretched
SO
how about it J
you go through the thread and in your best effort try and compile a terrific list of true indie shit out of what you thought and what you had contributed by the forum
so those of us like myself can take this list and go buy some great music we don't own already...
just for me ..try and focus this thread back into orbit

[Invisible Member]

Brain21 wrote on Fri, 14 January 2005 19:58

Hmm, why not Streat Lethal by Racer-X (their 1st album)?

I liked Second Heat more.. basically for one song "Living the Hardway"

Brain21 wrote on Fri, 14 January 2005 19:58

Now, I have pretty much no friends that listened to that stuff, so it is "indie" again in a way.  In fact, Lance on this MB is about my only friend in the "real world" that I have anymore that knew/knows about all of that late 80's shred stuff.

Lucky you on having a friend that you can sorta relate to. I have for the most part felt like a freak for my instrumental tastes.  I took lesson's from Rich Severson of GIT for a while. Jazz and Blues mostly while I committed shred idolotry. I had to learn alotof it on my own since teachers were rare that could even grasp the genre. I have a dvd of Racer-X live at the Country Club in 1987

Great list by the way... I totally forgot about Vinne Moore

Brain21 wrote on Fri, 14 January 2005 19:58

I don't include P&W because it was released on Epic/Relativity, and Vai was already fairly well known at the time for being the "replacement" of sorts for Ediie VanHalen in that he was DLR's guitar player when DLR left VanHalen.

Good point, I was wandering to far into the grey area


Sorry for dragging the indie shred into the thread.


Peace,
Dennis

[j.hall]

Ross Hogarth wrote on Sat, 15 January 2005 00:53

SO how about it J

you bet ross....

just keep in mind that once i post the list you are requesting, that it will still be filtered through me....MANY records posted i've never heard.

and an equal many i've only heard bits and pieces of....

the list will be much longer then 15

i'll try to limit it to 30

the point of the thread was to take all the different tastes of posters and see what has inspired them.....indie rock is such a broad term these days i thought it would be interesting to see what portion of indie rock different people were "a part of"....

obviously that failed in many ways.

[Invisible Member]

jhall would it be too much to ask to have the list be chronologically listed? I think it would be interesting to see how/if there is a pattern of some sort. Once the list in compiled and posted you could probably unsticky this one.

I for one look forward to buying some of these in the near future.

Thanks,
Dennis

[j.hall]

i just spent 30 minutes copy and pasting every legitimate list into a word document and re-formating them all.....WHAT A PAIN

from here i'm going to set some criteria

1.  if a band is mentioned more then once i will place it on the list choosing what i think to be the more "monumental" record.

2.  if a band and specific album is mentioned more then once it goes on the list if i've heard it or not

3.  after the above....the list will simply be my own personal evaluation of what bands and albums held significance in the "indie" underground that i personally think of.

chronilogical?

great scott man.....you want me to look up every record on all music and list them in order of the year they came out?????

all right, i'll try to do that

thus far i have about 3.5 pages of lists to filter through.
i've organized them by poster.....

let my opinion begin...............

[j.hall]

i had the flu the past few days.....

i'll be finishing up the list tonight and posting tomorrow.

probably won't have release dates with it.

[takeout]

j.hall wrote on Sat, 15 January 2005 19:31

...great scott man...

Great Caesar's ghost!

I can't wait to jump all over this list like a five-year-old on a hotel bed.  That oughta keep the forum busy for a while.

Heh heh heh...

[j.hall]

Master List: all release dates found on all music dot com (this post took me over 4 hours)

1.   Ramones – s/t (1976)
2.   Television - Marquee Moon (1977)
3.   Gang of Four – Entertainment (1979)
4.   Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures (1979)
5.   Bad Brains – s/t (1982)
6.   Mission of Burma – Vs. (1982)
7.   Minor Threat – Discography (1984)
8.   Minutemen – Double Nickels On The Dime (1984)
9.   Big Black – Atomizer (1986)
10.   Black Flag – Wasted, Again! (1987)
11.   Pixes – Surfer Rosa (1988)
12.   Camper Van Beethoven - Key Lime Pie (1989)
13.   Fugazi – 13 Songs (1989)
14.   Sonic Youth – Goo (1990)
15.   My Bloody Valentine – Loveless (1991)
16.   Slint – Spiderland (1991)
17.   Helmet – Meantime (1992)
18.   Polvo – Today’s Active Lifestyles' (1993)
19.   Quicksand – Slip (1993)
20.   Drive Like Jehu – Yank Crime (1994)
21.   Guided By Voices – Bee Thousand (1994)
22.   Jawbox – For Your Own Special Sweetheart (1994)
23.   Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)
24.   Shellac – At Action Park (1994)
25.   Shudder To Think – Pony Express Record (1994)
26.   Radiohead – The Bends (1995)
27.   Rocket From The Crypt – Scream, Dracula Scream (1995)
28.   Chavez – Ride The Fader (1996)
29.   Failure – Fantastic Planet (1996)
30.   Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea (1998)
31.   Refused – The Shape of Punk To Come (1998)
32.   Soul Coughing – El Oso (1998)
33.   The Flaming Lips – Soft Bulletin (1999)
34.   Les Savy Fav – The Cat and the Cobra (1999)
35.   Sparklehorse – Good Morning Spider (1999)
36.   Juno – A Future Lived In Past Tense (2001)

post 2000 records i feel are very relevant and could easily be considered, "must owns"

37.   Burning Airlines – Identikit (2001)
38.   John Vanderslice – Time Travel is Lonely (2001)
39.   Death Cab For Cutie – Photo Album (2001)
40.   Hot Snakes – Suicide Invoice (2002)
41.   Low – Trust (2002)
42.   Cursive – The Ugly Organ (2003)
43.   Mars Volta – De-loused in the Comatorium (2003)
44.   Pernice Brothers – Yours, Mine, and Ours (2003)
45.   Ted Leo and the Pharmacists – Hearts of Oak (2003)
46.   The Arcade Fire – Funeral (2004)
47.   Blood Brothers – Crimes (2004)
48.   Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Abbatoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus (2004)

no disclaimers, no explanations.....that's it....now start buying records

THREAD LOCKED, you want to argue, start another thread.  the great swami has spoken.