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[ammitsboel]

bblackwood wrote on Mon, 10 January 2005 22:15

Once again, pure clipping was preferred by most, this time in a landslide. Again, Bob preferred the clipped version overall (as did I), and Michael nailed them out of the gate, much to Henrik's dismay (hehe, I kid). Once again, we're seeing that for different stuff, different approaches work better than others...

Well, Michael!! please let us in on what earplugs you are using?
...it's funny(or rather odd) that the MD4 sounds more distorted than the clipping though!

And is the MD4 always brightening things?

Best Regards

[Level]

Quote:

Important for us to realize that clipping at 96K may sound much better than at 44.1 for several reasons (less intermod/aliasing distortion).

....Plus the fact that amplitude with some conversions can actually rise to a point where it is ugly at 16/44.1

Do a 0.2dB impluse peak at 24/96k, convert, see if it is 0.2dB at 16/44.1K

Sample accurate my pink and rosy smelling foot.(!)


Acid test, again.

[turtletone]

I only use organic free range earplugs.

I still like the weiss as a limiter. It takes 3 times as long to setup, but I think it retains more detail and punch. and with the correct setup, stunn levels are not only achievable but better sounding than the L2 or MD4.

[ammitsboel]

I have the same experience with the DS1

[bobkatz]

TurtleTone wrote on Mon, 10 January 2005 22:41

I only use organic free range earplugs. I still like the weiss as a limiter. It takes 3 times as long to setup, but I think it retains more detail and punch. and with the correct setup, stunn levels are not only achievable but better sounding than the L2 or MD4.

I never tried it for that, but it makes sense that you could do it, if you have the patience to do the setup. The Weiss's sonics are very good. Use it possibly as a tetch of "compressor/limiter" combination, also. That is, instead of total limiting at 1000:1 ratio, reduce that slightly and optimize the attack/release for some kind of a "sound.

The only problem (if you consider it a problem) is that the Weiss is NOT a brickwall device. So if you want to stay competitive and not have any overs at the same time, you'll need to follow it with a tetch of a brickwall.

Then again, if you don't mind clipping  


BK

[ammitsboel]

bobkatz wrote on Tue, 11 January 2005 20:41

Then again, if you don't mind clipping

Wow Bob, you have really learned something from these tests

[zetterstroem]

i am a bit confused...

i would think that the clipped version should be the one closest to the original in terms of tonal balance...

and in my ears the sierra (L2) i far away balance-wise..

not this is why i am confused.... iuse the L2 every day as a plug in protools HD.... and tried the hardware version as well.... it NEVER changes the percieved tonal balance as much as sierra vs. tango .....

i'm very confused.... is it the ARC? (never use it....awful) i believe that the ARC is responsible for what i interpreted as "pumping"....

stangely sierra exactly matches all the reasons we had for NOT buying the TC!!

is there any hope of one of you linking to the file with no limiter?

please...   pretty please...  

respect

[turtletone]

I thought we all liked clipping....

[zetterstroem]

did i say otherwise?

[Lee Flier]

bblackwood wrote on Mon, 10 January 2005 22:15

Once again, pure clipping was preferred by most, this time in a landslide. Again, Bob preferred the clipped version overall (as did I), and Michael nailed them out of the gate, much to Henrik's dismay (hehe, I kid).

Wild.  I thought Tango was the worst sounding one of the lot.  I was pretty open to the idea that I might prefer the clipping, but I guess I don't.

Very educational!