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[RMoore]

My approach is:

A) Go in search of the song
B) Whatever it takes
C) Identify what 'works' and what doesn't
D) Keep learning new ideas
E) Know when its good as can be under the circumstances & to move on, not being an 'antf?cker'

[PP]

[Ozzy]

Poyser

You read like a very arrogant individual.
You seem so superior. This may be unintentional and due to misplaced humour.

I met Albini once at Abbey Road, I think we even played pool, if my memory serves me. For the record he was working with Robert Plant and Jimmy Page, even you must have heard of those two.

He seemed like a pretty affable bloke, extremely committed and professional. He's not afraid to speak his mind and has ideas about work, some that I agree with and some I disagree with.

You don't seem to have any ideas I'm afraid! Only silly anecdotes

Out of interest tell us about your body of work, It will help me to put a perspective on your posts.

As Robert Burns said:

"Oh the gift, the gift to give us, is to see ourselves as others see us"

With all due respect.

[lucey]

oh let's not go into dick measuring or macho competition or ego .... this thread is about producing


steve and peter are both valued here

[ted nightshade]

lucey wrote on Sun, 09 January 2005 07:53

steve and peter are both valued here

Yes they are!

[PP]

[ted nightshade]

It's also possible, Peter, that some folks might not read your entire post, as they can be rather long, and so might miss the context and the overall picture. Could lead to confusion!

But you make good points- I read most of them!

[PP]

[t(h)ik]

Brough...

Perspective from under the sewer grate...

Your fellow Brit called you out on that one man...

Nice back peddling but you stepped on it...

I love ya...but admit it you got a little bit upity just like a Brit....lol...

The hole artist comment er, artist hole thing...er...

carry on...



Thank you so much for making me laugh til it hurt....

from the first fukken line...

til well about the middle of your back-peddling...<g>

Sad about the whole relationship with others and who ya know and all that, I still love ya even though your a famous freak or sumtin'....

Lemme nough

TIKK

[wwittman]

re: "(not Cyndi Lauper, Joan Osborne, Hooters, ...)

see?
pose.

[RMoore]

I always liked 'Time after Time' ..classic tune.
Even though I generally work in 'underground' indie genres..
I even saw Miles Davis play a version live in '84 or so..
Thats got to be pretty friggin cool having MD cover your tune.
(he played one ghastly trainwreck of a note..crowd cringes collectively in horror , he gives a little wiggle like 'ooh, that hurt' - the crowd erupts in wild cheers...what a guy!)
Hooters - no idea except I ate in a Hooters somewhere in the Carolinas once..
Thnx to everyone for sharing thier thoughts here though I must admit I fast forwarded through the P.P. prose...sorry P-man..I've got a MTV generation attention span,
Respect to one and all,
RM

[Curve Dominant]

Albini has demonstrated a real lack of talent here.

Stomping all over threads about production, on forums about production, with such utter disregard for any consideration of various viewpoints, demonstrates a pathetic insecurity at best.

So you don't like to venture into production. FIne, go do your thing then.

I don't understand the need to kick sand in the faces of those who have the courage to help developing artists.

Self-serving audio engineers do not get a pass when it comes to evolving the art. Let the artists make that call.

When you run out of Quantegy tape, and you thus retire, we will still be helping artists.

For some of us, it's all about the music.

[RMoore]

Does anyone consider that seeing as Steve Albini has been involved with the making of 100's of albums, including discs by 'name' artists like Nirvana, The Zep guys, PJ Harvey, The Pixies etc etc that he may possibly know a thing or two about record 'production'..?

FWIW - I find his posts here often operate similarly to say a good professor in school who challenges his or her students' opinions and poses thoughts /statements so that others are forced to voyage outside their 'safety' zone and really re-examine their belief systems, opinions  & <think> hard about why it is they do the things they do..So even if you don't agree with his style, at least people are , probably, thinking hard about why that might be & thats a good thing..

When someone is thinking 'outside the box', instead of making me feel threatened or annoyed, I appreciate the exposure to a <completely> different way of thinking of things..
If everyone here did things the same way & agreed on everything that'd be a bore.

FWIW 2 - the projects I'm working on at the moment involve 2 vocalists (one former 'Grammy' award winner - still having to work hard to put food on the table for his kids while being owed 20 years of 'significant' back royalties by a certain Major label) who breeze into the studio Sinatra style, lay down some parts and cruise off..leaving me to 'produce' their records totally, coordinate the musical tracks, musicians, edit & comp their vocal performances, decide the running order, titles, artwork etc..given the artists' schedules & lifestyles, there's no way they can or even want to be present in the studio while all this other work is going on..
so they will hear the finished record later on & are OK with that..
I'm not saying this is 'the way' to make records - but this is what has to be done in order to make these particular  records happen..

I like how Steve is challenging the oft held notion of the 'producer' as the 'star' of the show / some all-knowing svengali figure imposing their own 'vision' and who thinks they know better than the artist how to mold, shape and interpret the ideas (even though that may actually be the case in some instances)..

Rock it!

RM

[Ozzy]

I'ii go along with that Ryan.

And Poyser, it's the laboured pontificating that gets me (the spacing is also pretty annoying). For the record I'm Scottish and not English like you assumed, the Robert Burns quote was the clue.

Regards

[ted nightshade]

Peter- keep on being Peter! With my blessing! And yes, those other too-long posts are too-long too. And sometimes lack jokes, and obscure-but-relevant historical references!

Steve, keep on being Steve. I can see why Steve is so scathing in some of his expressions- almost all records made today are ruined by bad production, whether intentionally, or by some ghastly one-size-fits-all default. Of the thousands of artists served, most are served very poorly and don't have a chance to learn much during the recording process. Way, way too often, people who are not nearly as invested in the music as the artists make crucial decisions that make the record sound way too much like everybody else's record.

Steve is deeply committed to his values, and is holding course in an increasingly desperate and frantically pandering industry. Go Steve. May we all hold fast to our own values this way, whatever they should turn out to be.