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A.J.

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your go to bass plug in
« on: December 14, 2004, 01:08:03 pm »

Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has a "go to" bass plug in you use frequently.

I've been getting some good sounds in general. I prefer to mic the cabinet if at all possible. gotta have that moving air. I get decent tracks with just compression and eq.

But, I wanted to know if anyone had a plug in you reach for when getting some great bass sounds. Specifically something to get those nice round tones. I remember using the Big Bottom years ago. I know they have a TDM plug, but I haven't heard it.

Thanks in advance,
A.J.

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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2004, 03:06:35 pm »

not a plug in, but the sans amp RBI (rack mount bass driver) has saved me MANY times in it's very short existence in my rack.

i haven't mixed a song yet with out it patched it.

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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2004, 04:28:49 pm »

I've used the PSP Vintage warmer on a couple of tracks, but it's uaually songs that are fairly sparse. It's not so good on dense rock mixes since it's just too friggin' round.
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2004, 05:08:42 pm »

I really like Waves MaxxBass on a mix, never tried it on a bas guitar track.
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2004, 07:47:06 pm »

I've been trying to find a decent sounding plug-in compressor for bass lately.  I recently did a project where I ended up just smashing the shit out uof it with an L1.  Seemed to work!


Oh..."nice round tones"

Hehe...oops.  What I did won't make that happen Wink
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2004, 10:39:35 am »

If we're just talking plugs i'd have to say for dynamics the UA 1176 plug (my hardware fave) or La2a depending on the material. The BF 1176 never acted like a real one, the UA one isn't but it's damn closer than the BF. I've become enamored with the DUYvalve plug although i normally steer clear of most "warmers". The PSP VW is cool but I can't find the love when it hits the bass like when it hits kick or snare.

The Sonalksis compressor is a must have, it's the closest thing to a Trakker/Distressor in the plug in realm. Utilized with DUYvalve it can really get close to those things...
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2004, 01:16:17 pm »

thanks guys.

J. - this SansAmp unit looks great. I have Tech21 Trademark 60 for my live guitar set up. (36 friggin' pounds! and sounds great)... so I dig their stuff.

You mixed with it... Have you tracked with it?

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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2004, 01:20:49 pm »

I don't have the RBI, I just have the little pedal Sansamp, but I refuse to use any other sort of DI when I track.

As a bass player, I'm in the process of updating my rig, and the Sans is going to be my pre.  Just that into a power amp into a cab.
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2004, 03:09:10 pm »

Fibes wrote on Wed, 15 December 2004 15:39

The Sonalksis compressor is a must have, it's the closest thing to a Trakker/Distressor in the plug in realm. Utilized with DUYvalve it can really get close to those things...


Which Sonalksis compressor are you referring to?

I think amp modeling plugins do really well on bass. I tend to use GuitarRig or Amplitube if anything at all.
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2004, 03:24:37 pm »

redelephant wrote on Wed, 15 December 2004 15:09

Fibes wrote on Wed, 15 December 2004 15:39

The Sonalksis compressor is a must have, it's the closest thing to a Trakker/Distressor in the plug in realm. Utilized with DUYvalve it can really get close to those things...


Which Sonalksis compressor are you referring to?

I think amp modeling plugins do really well on bass. I tend to use GuitarRig or Amplitube if anything at all.



The 315 (or 317) i can't remember which is the comp or eq. they both rock.
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2004, 05:23:32 pm »

A.J. wrote on Wed, 15 December 2004 12:16

thanks guys.

J. - this SansAmp unit looks great. I have Tech21 Trademark 60 for my live guitar set up. (36 friggin' pounds! and sounds great)... so I dig their stuff.

You mixed with it... Have you tracked with it?

aj



yes, i've tracked with it...and when i track with it i don't a single thing with the tone at mix.  i just turn up the track and move on.

i love that box.

my evil twin is still cleaner, and more "hi-fi" sounding.  but the sans amp can really deliver.
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2004, 05:23:47 am »

It's not a plug-in, but my bass tones are never complete until they've been "Fatso'd". That box is a beast machine.

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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2004, 09:50:49 am »

Hi,
been playin with the URS plugins the last two days and I'm amazed. Never heard a digital EQ like these. Mixed a couple songs yesterday with it on bass. One track was with the "API" and the other with the "Neve". To compress I use UAD 1176 (for a more midrange sound) and for slow rock or more round basses the UAD LA2A. The latter seems too slow for fast rock songs. Tried almost every damn Waves plugins and never found one that I liked. C1, MaxxBass, Renaissance Comp and so forth. But it's just a matter of taste. The Sonalksis I demoed few weeks ago and in fact it was very good. The EQ too.

Cheers.

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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2004, 03:53:20 pm »

I like using the waves C4 on bass, i can really get crazy if i need to. Tho lately I've been just taking bass direct thru an API 512 into a distressor and thats the bass. maybe adding a slight boost at around 400hz if it needs it.
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2004, 07:25:02 pm »

I've been having a lot of good luck with the URS plug ins also. I bought the Classic Console N and A bundle, which I like. But the fulltec is where it's at in my opinion. That's definetly my next plug-in purchase. I wish I would have bought it instead of the CC bundle. The A and N series also do some bizzar sh*t when they clip. I tried to contact URS a couple times about my disatisfaction with those plug-ins over the fulltec but they wont return my e-mails. Blah blah. The plug-ins sound better than any other regardless.

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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2004, 05:11:27 am »

Patheticus wrote on Sat, 18 December 2004 01:25

I've been having a lot of good luck with the URS plug ins also. I bought the Classic Console N and A bundle, which I like. But the fulltec is where it's at in my opinion. That's definetly my next plug-in purchase. I wish I would have bought it instead of the CC bundle. The A and N series also do some bizzar sh*t when they clip. I tried to contact URS a couple times about my disatisfaction with those plug-ins over the fulltec but they wont return my e-mails. Blah blah. The plug-ins sound better than any other regardless.


Sorry, no chance for me to try the Fulltec, I'm running DP and URS says that they don't have any plan to move their plugins to AU apart from the Classics. BTW, talkin' about clipping, do you find yourself clipping easily on the URS? Please explain your previous statement. After few more days with the URS I can safely say that I never heard an EQ plugin sounding better than this. Just got DP4.5 and heard a lot of great things about their MW EQ, and compared to the URS they are on a different planet. Beeing using the URS Classic for about a week and I'm stunned.
Tried the A on: kick, snare, bass and guitars
Tried the N on: snare, overs+rooms, guitars, vocals
Amazing.

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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2004, 10:10:14 am »

phairphunk wrote on Wed, 15 December 2004 13:20

I don't have the RBI, I just have the little pedal Sansamp, but I refuse to use any other sort of DI when I track.

As a bass player, I'm in the process of updating my rig, and the Sans is going to be my pre.  Just that into a power amp into a cab.


That's what I do right now (except I use the sans amp pedal into a mackie 1400i into a hartke 1 X 15" XL cab).  It sounds great, but I would like to save up for the rackmount RBI version, so that I can tweak the mid's.  

As for the original question regarding Bass plug-in's.. I don't really deal with plug in's since I track/mix with a mackie d8b/MDR.  The only plugins are in the d8b and they are fairly basic (i can't find/afford the UFX cards, only have MFX).  I generally run the bass (through the sansamp and/or a UA 2610 preamp which sounds PHAT).  This preamp sounds amazing on everything from bass (direct), guitar cabs, overheads, kick, snare, piano, vox, etc..).  this is our main "go to pre" at my studio (of course we only have one other pre a dbx 576, so it's kind of a no-brainer!).  hehe.

i would like to pick up a dbx 160x rackmount compressor for tracking, and a UA1 PCI card for mixing (that would entail flying the tracks back and forth from the MDR to the PC, but from what i've heard about the UA1 card and the 1176/LA2 comps, it would be well worth it).

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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2004, 10:48:59 am »

Thanks to the CAPE project I was introduced to the DUY plugs via Charles Dye and i must say they keep growing on me. DUY Shape can really come in handy for tailoring bass. DUYvalve is pretty cool too. Check out the demos and give em time. They are subtle and not so subtle, check 'em out... The widener is super too, much more coherant than the Waves one, but, it ain't for bass...
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2004, 01:43:09 am »

Not a big fan of the dbx compressors on bass.  They've always sounded too clicky or too small or too both.
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2004, 03:02:42 am »

  I have over and over used the SansAmp Bass Driver (pedal), and it always works GREAT in a rock mix. No mucking about.
  I use a Demeter pre and FMR comp sometimes, and then Waves Ren Ax on it afterward. I like that , too.
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2005, 04:18:23 pm »

Trash!
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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2005, 08:52:32 am »

For me personally bass guitar is the most difficult instrument to get it
right in digital audio (with drums of course). I used to work in a studio that
had a 16trk 2" (running at 15ips, no nr) and it was easy to record bass back then. The only problem was that it was so damn big that I most of the times had to HPFiltered it a little bit.
Now it's the other way around. Also it seems like there's an 'octave above the fundamental' missing (or not added if compared to working on tape).  

Here is what I use.. depending on the source and style of course.

Software:

Rectify (to add an 'octave above' the fundamental.. with some overdrive or not.
Not quite the same as the tape sound but helps it being less sterile at least)
Lo-fi (Add some distortion and/or saturation)
Pultec or Filterbank Eq (w/ 60Hz Boost or so) to LA2A/1176/Fairchild/Reneissance Comp/Compressor Bank. Caferul not to dull it though.. depending
on the style again.
I've had some good results with the 'Big Bottom(ius)' too. And C4 or any mbc
makes sense too. Depends where the problem is really.

Hardware:

Or just send it to an outboard EQ/Comp/Synthesizer Input w/ LPF,whatever.
Sometimes I send it to my EH Bif Muff and then I'll mix the clean
and the Muff. Paying attention to phase of course when mixing the 2 signals.
Also, every now and then I re-amp it through a guitar/bass rig or even the ctrl room monitors to add some colour and 'air'.  

Hope this helps,

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Re: your go to bass plug in
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2005, 05:48:21 pm »

No Prob . . .

1. DUY DAD VALVE - set to the E. bass preset
2. WAVES RENAISSANCE COMPRESSOR - bass preset but then I typically set attack to around 10 to 20ms and long release, 199ms. Set threshold to taste to make it sound smooth.
3. WAVES RENAISSANCE EQ - usually dip around 250 to 300hz to
clear up some mud and perhaps a boost in the mids to
upper mids if needed.

That's it!

Here's some example of tone:

http://www.halftheworld.cc/music.html
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