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Human failings, Gov't, and Religion (was 'client unhappy...')
« on: October 29, 2004, 07:48:01 am »

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Re: normal protocol for client unhappy w/ master
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2004, 05:42:24 am »

Peter  Oxford wrote on Fri, 29 October 2004 04:48



“Watch closely the criticisms that people make of others, you can learn a lot about someone from this. For it is an infallible law of the human personality that we most often criticise in others, that aspect that inwardly, we most dislike about ourselves.”



Wait a sec, how can anything human be an "infallible law?"  
References, please.

Or is this a recursive function?

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Does this explain your close questioning and inferred criticism of Levels methods, by any chance?



I like Science.  

When the description seems to defy gravity, I want to know why.

Sometimes it's unique and I learn something new, other times it's  as old as the hills but unknown to the designer.

As there have never been any non-scientific claims associated with audio, we may take everything at face value and apply it verbatim.

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I like humour Dave.
(and I know you do too).



And who doesn't?

Heisenberg is stopped for speeding and the copper asks "Do you know how fast you were going?"

He says "No, but I know where I am"

Ba Dum.

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May I be ever so slightly presumptuous?



See, I was making a religious-type joke there with the Rev. 2 and Peter took the bait.  I like that in a guy.

I like Religion too, but I also like talking about Mastering.

Oh, And keeping it short.  But that's a story for another day.
{funny emoticon}

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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2004, 07:43:56 am »

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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2004, 03:02:16 am »

Peter  Oxford wrote on Wed, 03 November 2004 04:43



Jesus said “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man cometh unto the Father but by me.”



Got it, but what about my question?

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Dave,… I can’t make sense of lot’s of things… Honestly I can’t… But I let it go, the issues for me perhaps are different…



Well, I do tend to ask the odd question when things don't seem to add up....  Usually in an attempt to understand, although I am certainly not above ridicule -- in the interest of education, naturalment.

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I would like to say I appreciate your graceful response’s that reflect on you well.



Thank you, Peter.

Apparently I was so graceful on the old webboard that I was told to stop picking on BK, or be banned forever.................

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One like the one some of my pals have been working on and developed and been driving.  One like this….



Whew.  Where to start?  With the laws of thermodynamics, I guess.

No one ever says where this Hydrogen comes from.  Do you make it from water?  Bzzzzzt. That takes like seven times the energy you put in.  Need to build a new reactor to power your hydrolysis machine?

Hydrogen isn't even a fuel, it's more like a battery that you have to charge up everytime.

Do you want a liquid Hydrogen tank in your car?  Not me.  This will bring a new definition to car wrecks, as emergency services will just be met with a small crater in the road, with all else made vapour.

Take a look at what NASA does with liquid H2 to see the unbelievable precautions that are needed.

In approaching a Hydrogen fire there is something called the "Rule of Thumb."  You stop about a mile away and hold your thumb up at arms length.  If you can't cover the fire up with it, you're too close.............

Did I mention how H2 eats metal?  Or that there is no known way to give it an odor like we do with natural gas?  Or that leaking H2 travels around in a way that is guaranteed to blow up?

Sounds like a great idea, till the practical side kicks in.

Don't get me wrong, I wish it worked better, I really do.  There are more LNG cars and busses in Los Angeles all the time.  Plenty of Hybrids, as well.  They'll need batteries every x years, which isn't free, but it's a start.

A bit like solar power, where it looks at first blush to be incredible, but it's really a net energy loss......

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Your driving along…  

Quite happily…  

At the speed of light….

And you turn your headlights on….  

What Happens….?



The answer is: 42

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Quote DC : “I like Religion too”

That’s very interesting Dave!



I like to think so.

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Quote DC : “Oh, And keeping it short.”
                        {funny emoticon}

Ooopps….   Is this a human fallibility?



Well, this post is long enough as it is. Time to wrap it up.

 
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I’ve just written a kind of ‘operatic piece’ I haven’t timed it exactly but just the one song is at least twenty minutes long….  George said he liked it anyway!  



We'll have to edit that down for a single release, to something like 3:29.  Maybe an early fade?  Who's George?

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The groove was so thin on the final side… That there was hardly any level as they got to the end…..



Sadly, there is incompetence in every field.

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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2004, 12:13:12 pm »

Peter  Oxford wrote on Wed, 03 November 2004 12:43



They once sent an album (I orchestrated) to be mastered… And it came back as a double album..  

I know you’ll find this hard to believe …

The groove was so thin on the final side… That there was hardly any level as they got to the end…..




If this was a long side it sounds like the transfer engineer didn't do their job correctly of setting levels vs. land available by doing a practice run through first and instead started running out of space towards the end of the side and ducked the level in order to make everything fit.  Either that or there were mechanical difficulties with either cutter head height or depth settings being incorrect.

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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2004, 12:55:54 pm »

what's the normal protocol for someone (me) frustrated by a christian detour within an otherwise useful thread about business practices in the real world where mortals are in conflict with e.o.?


respectfully peter:  with this election showing the domination of the faith-based, my patience meter for bible study as an answer to everything is in the red.

many of us already have a born again family member or friend, and most of us have a born again President ... nuff znuff.


freedom of religion is by definition freedom from religion.  if i want answers to todays problems written long ago and translated in many ways over time, i'll reread the U.S. Constitution
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2004, 03:28:42 pm »

lucey wrote on Thu, 04 November 2004 11:55

respectfully peter:  with this election showing the domination of the faith-based, my patience meter for bible study as an answer to everything is in the red.

many of us already have a born again family member or friend, and most of us have a born again President ... nuff znuff.




Absolutely have to agree here... although with some of the longer posts my eyes tend to glaze over a bit and I usually go over ot the other board where we're talking about shock rebound settings, ride height, and negative camber....

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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2004, 07:45:56 pm »

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Absolutely have to agree here... although with some of the longer posts my eyes tend to glaze over a bit and I usually go over ot the other board where we're talking about shock rebound settings, ride height, and negative camber....

t




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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2004, 08:08:32 pm »

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2004, 12:27:21 am »

Peter  Oxford wrote on Thu, 04 November 2004 20:08


You mean…  The majority of Americans have values similar to mine… No wonder I love the American people so… This great affection of mine for Americans has nothing to do with politics whatsoever.. But is about the good American people and their values. I love and admire them.



Americans are good people?  Sure .. as long as you don't frighten us with science, reason or new ideas that challenge our power, ego, or social status in any way.  

Less than 1/2 of Americans voted.  Just over 1/2 of them (or 1/4 of the population) agree with you that our Liberal Democracy, in spite of it's specific Constitutional aims not only against the rule of religion but even the IMAGE of alignment with religion in place of fact-based policy, should be ruled by a Theocratic King-Substsite.

We left Britain for a reason ... and King George reminds many of us why.


Believe any faith you like, make posts of Biblical proportions as you wish, yet don't endorse those who rule with a cross on their sleeve is what we ask, or gloat in the inappropriate alignment of religious and political power at this pivotal time.

And speaking of ... the timing is poor for your .10% openness. This should be obvious Peter unless you've been in sessions all month!   I have emails from Europeans who are shocked and distressed...  it's just not the time for a casual Christian reference, that's all.


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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2004, 01:00:46 am »

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And speaking of ... the timing is poor for your .10% openness



I really don't think Peter was deliberately timing his postal content.. based on the current events.
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2004, 01:35:32 am »

Level wrote on Fri, 05 November 2004 01:00


I really don't think Peter was deliberately timing his postal content.. based on the current events.


Intentional or unintended ... the timing is simply poor and the venue is inappropriate.  



I'll stop now Brad ..


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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2004, 10:29:26 am »


So you assert that on the one hand you're apolitical ... And on the other, there is never a bad time for the Gospel?


There is a wrong time for Religion in America, according to our Constitution and all the papers that surrounded it from all sides at the time.  The wrong time is when the Federal government appears to represent or be primariy aligned with one religion.  God is a broad term, that is allowed ... yet Religion and God are not the same.

You can call yourself apolitical all day long if it makes you have more clients and a better professional image (which seems your motivation) but your stance is also the stance of the Republicans now in power here.  "God is good, at any time.  God means freedom, and freedom is good."

What a simplistic manipulation of fact.  Remember the Witch Hunts?  The Klan believes in God too.


Islamofascists also believe that God is good, and they also believe that Religion and Government are inseperable. So you , like Bush , are the idiological opposite of fascists. And to have opposites, as you well know .. is to ensure conflict indefinitely.

Perhaps you, Like Bush, have no problem with this as you are assured of your peace after the Middle East is destroyed and the Rapture redeems the believers in Christ?


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Quote : “We left Britain for a reason ... and King George reminds many of us why.”

I see your point Brian, I can understand.  

With respect, there is a however, fundamental flaw in it. You see, this comment presumes that very many immigrants that left for America, did so for a very high minded politically motivated purpose that is anti monarchist…  In fact for a great many, the reasons historians know about, were a baser type of metal altogether…




Do not insult the creators of this Democracy ... they did something your rulers have never done.  They took nothing and made something great and long lasting based on Principles that encouraged human potential, not based in dogma or a family tree.

America exists in principle as a place free from oppression, where the majority rules and the minority view is respected, all in line with the aims of the Constitution.

Freedom is not absolute here ... yet it is as broad as it can be, as liberal if you will .... unless that freedom steps on others freedoms.

The rule of a Zealot, or of a Monarcy is in principle forbidden in the American aim, and yet We The People have such ignorance we have let it come to pass.

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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2004, 12:36:02 pm »

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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2004, 04:01:17 pm »

Peter,

Seriously for a moment. What medications do you take? Are they all legitimate pharmaceuticals or are you using some hillbilly stuff?

I'll say one thing, you must be able to type your ass off if you can put in all those long hours AND write those endless SOC posts.

Don't get me wrong. I am NOT attacking you, (though looking back at what I just wrote, it is clear it may read that way). I actually find your posts very helpful. Some days after a long and stimulating period of work, I can't get myself wound down fast enough to get enough sleep for my next days efforts. That is when I come home and look up some of your posts, as I find them very effective sleep aid.  

Please never stop.

God Bless you Peter.
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2004, 05:08:04 pm »

Peter  Oxford wrote on Fri, 05 November 2004 12:36



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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2004, 10:58:49 am »

Darling Peter

I have always known that I was from and about nothing.  It is refreshing and altogether thrilling to have this reaffimed in the  REP forum.  It is not enough that I am rendered useless and unappealling on all technical and artistic matters relating and unrelating to the only love in ny life: music.  But now to see my perceptions and awareness of self shattered is well, nothing short of the begining for me, and by logical extension (or contraction) us!

Thank you so much Peter....I sing well, I am a superstar really, in my remote Teutonic village as most English speaking feriners tend to be and I have developed a cough caused by over practicing and almost choked to death reading your posts....The Dali keeping his spirits up comment almost stopped my heart....

I revel in the countenance and continual blessings I have received since coming to this forum.  I am truly blessed, thank you Peter for every keystroke.  Your prose is a gift to mankind as well as those on distant planets...if they have computers...

Your brother in Christ watching over the Continental hordes...

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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2004, 03:02:12 am »

sixtiksix wrote on Sat, 06 November 2004 10:58

Darling Peter

I have always known that I was from and about nothing.  

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Your brother in Christ watching over the Continental hordes...





oh my ...


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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2004, 08:24:21 am »

Peter,

First off, thank you so much for what I know is your sincere interest in the current spiritual fitness of my soul.  I am in fact lost in this world and alas cannot believe in Jesus as my savior.  But in my search for a meaningful life I have seen much more humility and good will among christians than what people like to portray them as....

It is in fact, sophmorically disingenious to suggest that they are any different than the next swinging richard let alone the bogey man.  

I live in Europe by choice and forgo the cultural advantages of interacting with my countrymen incarcerated at the nearby military facilities.

As an atheist in Europe I enjoy the government not preventing me from drinking on Sunday and other ridiculous regulations however, it is not lost on me that this entire system here is an extension of the Founding Fathers of my homeland and tyranny is kept in check by the threat of more hillbilly's returning with .30 caliber rifles and really bad racial jokes, if shit gets out of hand.  I am a patriot but eschew things like being beaten by the police back home and prefer to languish the remainder of my days in exile surrounded by provencial mountain folk.....

Good Luck

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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2004, 11:42:05 am »

Freedom of Religion is also Freedom FROM Religion.

You can have any religion you want in America, yet for State or Federal leaders to make public policy along the lines of one religion is sacreligious to the American idea.

The Founders believed in God, yet they were HELL BENT on making this country's Federal policy a policy of discourse and truth seeking, not one of faith-based values.

I have a pamphlet for GW Bush right in front of me that was passed out in the last week in Ohio ... there are ZERO issues here about Economic Policy, Foreign Policy, the Deficit, etc.

There are 7 issues about Abortion and Gay Marriage and one about the Child Tax Credit.

This pamphlet is the truth about GWBush's power, it comes from a faith-based electorate in the less educated sectors of America.  The cities by and large went by a small margin for Kerry.  The rural counties went overwhelmingly for Bush.

And with this pamphlet and others like it that were created state by state (one of them in the South lying "Kerry will take away your Bibles") its clear that this is the beginnning of the American Theorcracy, no matter what you say to justify it.




As for my "belief in" or my "relationship" with Jesus, or Buddha, or Mohammed it's a private matter, as should yours be.

My vote and my views on public policy, these are public matters.
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2004, 02:03:01 pm »

Should religion have a place in politics in a non-medieval society?

Some pros and cons:

Pros:

If the politician’s religion of choice conforms to that of the voting majority, then an outspoken belief is of definite benefit when it comes to polling day…

Cons:

By definition, any religion subscribed to by the political leader is divisive in that it marginalizes those with alternative beliefs.

There is more physical evidence to suggest that little green men from outer space have visited earth than any religious messiah.

Paul Frindle put it eloquently in another thread:
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The reason that 'faith' and its accompanying simplistic reactions are so compelling and infectious is that they require less effort and consideration in their wholesale adoption



Political policies should be based upon the physical, not meta-physical… I cannot put into words how amoral, and downright backward I find the concept of introducing religious mandates into politics.

If you’ve found God, that’s great, it would be blinkered to deny the good work many clergy put into our society. However, “faith” is just that, and should be kept separate from what we know to exist factually - from an ethical standpoint, exacting the opposite with regards to political decisions would make the perpetrator on a moral par with the Taliban or Ayatollah.

This MPG illustrates the effect of God-fearing UK and US leader’s policies in Iraq:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/audiovideo/apachehit.mpg

“Roger. He’s wounded, hit him” – is that Christian behaviour?

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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2004, 04:01:24 pm »

With all due respect, your comments on the video are why I have little or no respect for this type of attitude....

The events on the video can be easily traced back to the crew of that helicopter.  I am not sure but I think they are facing charges for violating the Geneva convention and if they are not facing charges they should be.  

But you imply that this is US policy when it clearly is not....

Oddly enough, the US is full of humans and by extension so is the US military and some would look at that tape and cringe and others would say "get some". It is clearly horrifying but I don't see where there is a connection to those with faith or US policy.

Speaking as an Atheist and someone who desperately wants to hear someone say something intelligent on the anti-war side....

Glad to be here...

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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2004, 05:02:22 pm »

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This MPG illustrates the effect of God-fearing UK and US leader’s policies in Iraq



The keyword is “effect”. The above statement did not suggest that the helicopter crew were following direct orders from politicians, you chose to interpret it that way Rolling Eyes

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But you imply that this is US policy when it clearly is not....



I did not imply the events in the mpg were direct “US policy”; the video portrays the type of horrors that occur (along with 100,000 civilian deaths) when politicians (who are supposedly Christian citizens) create an ill-conceived war. Come to think of it though, who should take responsibility?

Nor was I inferring it was solely US policy, Bliar is as much to blame.


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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2004, 05:15:19 pm »

I stand corrected.  You did say effect.  

Nice casualty figure though.  Why not make it a million.

I'll agree with ill-conceived as well.  I am not happy that Bush is the boss.  Or that we, meaning the people of Earth cannot seem to get our shit together, and you seem to have said something intelligent which is why not so oddly enough this is the best place I can imagine to discuss politics.  

So please kindly tell me what the heck the difference is between Normandy, Belgrade, Ivory Coast, Charles Taylor and Iraq.  Besides the fact that the French are always dicking shit up....um...meaning their government....cause French people rock....

Waiting for a clue....

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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2004, 06:21:38 pm »

I should add that some reports state the “farmers” in the video may not have been what they appeared (farming at night is unusual) – this is purely conjecture I’ve read though.

Regardless of what they were up to, the mpg is a shocking exemplification of the true horror that war constitutes...

Even though I sometimes wonder if I should move to mainland Europe (as friends have done) due to the current UK climate under Bliar, I can only thank my lucky stars that I wasn't born in Iraq.

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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2004, 06:50:03 pm »

Hey Justin,

First of all you should be proud of being a slimey Brit.  Secondly noone on the Continent has any more moral high ground than your great nation.  Thirdly, they weren't fukken farmers in the video.  And, being born in Iraq would be OK as long as you could get the fukk out of there to go to concerts and get some decent beer, they have all the normal booze....and fukked up Britney Spears...

Hey man, demonizing Blair, while a great sport for you Anglos, really has no basis.  He may be a ding dong, I don't follow British politics, but he really did what he thought was right concerning Iraq.  You could look to the Dutch, the Danes, the Italians and the Poles for your continental cues instead of governments that cannot tell right from wrong even on a multiple choice test.  

If you do decide to come here though you would be welcome to stay at my studio and you could walk down to the village and listen to the people who live on the Continent and think the Brits are island monkeys, tell their fukked up Jew jokes and Turk and Paki jokes cause they are just so much better than you or some dumb ass hick from Kentucky.....(the US is eve-ill)

Dude, fight the power, don't buy into the gay propaganda about the Iraq thang(what is the German Army doing in Kuwait)the war is unfortunate but is more right than wrong...keep your world peace views and do what you think is right just don't listen to the bullshit....


Fighting the goood fight on the Continent....

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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2004, 02:33:17 am »

Peter,

The Red Socks are a baseball team from Boston. This year they were trying to break an 86 year curse, and they did. They won the World Series. The story of the curse is too long to describe here. If you are interested, Google "Curse of the Bambino". Since Boston is in Massachusetts, home state of Senator Kerry, I think some people felt the ability of the Red Socks to break the curse might, in some magically cosmic way, link to a Kerry victory and by extention, break the right wing spell over rational thought in this country. It did not help. So much for heretical conjunctions. BTW, in my earlier post SOC stood for "stream of consciousness".

Thank you for asking about my faith. I feel you are asking in the kindest, most generous way. I'll try to answer with that in mind. My faith has so little to do with the Born Again Christian movement of the last 40 years that I hesitate to even call myself a Christian. My faith centers on gratitude, service, humility, compassion, surrender and personal deficiency. I find precious little of any of those in the political and spiritual leaders currently strutting their stuff in my country.

Peter Oxford wrote

The Christian family is unique in that the sole qualification for being a member of it, depends entirely, upon the individual involved being fully aware of his complete failure to be in any way worthy of joining it
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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2004, 08:28:15 am »

Hey Peter, bro.....

If everyone conducted themselves like they do within the confines of this post, the avarice of man and other maladies of character could quite possibly be diminished to the point of not needing smart bombs anymore.....until then...

I know your entire deluge into the "Go Sox" thing was richly coated in irony and sarcasm, as I thought initially was your faith; sorry for the blasphemy earlier.

I would just like to inform the Sox are the world champions because when it comes to sports (like most of the time, I know there are exceptions) the Gringos or Yanks or eve-ill capitalist pig Americans totally kick fukken ass!    So there is no need for some ding dong from Manchester to try and catch a ball (baseball or otherwise)just to be the subject of public ridicule for the rest on his tenure on Earth if only to correct hyperbolic anomalies in American sporting venacular.....

Your agent in Germany....

P.S. I am just an atheist for myself,  I would never try to convince a bro that there is no god.  What the hell do I know? See you at the Rapture (I'm the one across the way on the downward escalator....)

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Re: Human failings, Gov't, and Religion (was 'client unhappy...')
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