i agree, they are a more indie emo screamo band, but much more intelligent than the likes of poison the well, thursday, etc. interesting that a tooth and nail band would be MORE intelligent than their counterparts... not to say that t&n hasn't had some great bands... starflyer 59, pedro the lion, damien jurado, joe christmas, danielson famile... then again all of those bands sans sf59 think that brandon ebel is satan himself...