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Author Topic: contemporary AC701 replacement? [Phaedrus 6D-H3]  (Read 786 times)

brucekaphan

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contemporary AC701 replacement? [Phaedrus 6D-H3]
« on: March 20, 2023, 05:29:19 PM »

Earlier today I learned of a company that is apparently currently manufacturing an AC701 replacement tube: http://www.phaedrus-audio.com/6D-H3%20triode.htm. Has anyone had any experience with these tubes?
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Re: contemporary AC701 replacement? [Phaedrus 6D-H3]
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2023, 05:53:34 PM »

It's left vague in the manufacturer's literature, but you should be aware that this is not a vacuum tube, but rather an equivalent-circuit substitute utilizing semiconductors.
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Re: contemporary AC701 replacement? [Phaedrus 6D-H3]
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2023, 06:13:02 PM »

I see two problems with the way Phędrus advertises its 6D-H3:

1. It is not a tube, as soapfoot stated, but a solid-state emulation. I find it troubling that a manufacturer refers to a solid state device as a tube and uses terms germane to tubes ("heater voltage", "triode", etc.) when the common definition of a tube is, per Wiki:

A vacuum tube or electron tube is a device that controls electric current flow in a high vacuum between electrodes to which an electric potential difference has been applied.
It utilizes thermionic emission of electrons from a hot cathode for fundamental electronic functions such as signal amplification.


2. This solid state device is advertised as a direct replacement, therefore claimed equivalent in performance, to the AC701 triode.
All tube emulations I have heard, including those made by Phaedrus, sounded pedestrian to me. They will pass common function tests with more or less noise associated with it, and may be ok for beginners not familiar of the timbre and dynamic behavior of tubes. I.e. a perfect starting point for DIY's.

But there are better and cheaper alternatives in that category, like the 6S6B, a Russian military type triode tube. (Neumann uses what looks like a relative of that tube in its M49V.)

In the end I question the idea of installing a tube simulation in any of the most revered, iconic, breathtaking mics ever made- those originally designed and optimized for the Telefunken AC701.

Knowing your excellent ears and discrimination for good sounds, I encourage you to buy one of these simulations, install it and report back with what you hear.

P.S.: I also invite anyone who has personally heard and compared solid-state emulations to post his/her experiences.
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Re: contemporary AC701 replacement? [Phaedrus 6D-H3]
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2023, 11:36:51 AM »

The above replies are why I love this forum!
Thanks to both Klaus and soapfoot for sharing their knowledge!

Klaus—if your last (pre-P.S.) sentence was addressed to me, first thank you for the kind words. I own two mics that utilize AC701s and thankfully both are behaving themselves at this time, so if (when?...) I find myself needing to no longer leave well enough alone, then I'll consider installing the Phaedrus and reporting back.

I look forward to seeing if any other forum readers have any experience with it.
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