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klaus

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Mic Shootouts Online Are Fundamentally Flawed
« on: June 28, 2020, 01:10:37 pm »

I hate them. Never listen to them, never in my life would evaluate microphones that way. Not even for clients who beg me.

1. They often use MP3s or other lossy formats which obliterate the more subtle characteristics we cherish in a good microphone- characteristics we reward by paying disproportionate financial premiums for that last bit of quality

2. The intended audience is never present when these shootouts are made. For all we know, totally different mics, preamps, cables, distances were used that may favor one mic over the other, regardless of a mic's true merit as recording tool in a real-world working environment

3. Speaking of distances: the most overlooked element in shootouts, which from the get go will render any comparison between two or more mics pointless: setting up several mics at the same exact distance from the sound source. As if we didn't know that every type of mic and model has its own sweet spot- a factor recording professionals pay close attention to. To illustrate the point: no one would place an SM58 and a U47 at the same distance from the singer

I have seen pictures of four totally different microphones with totally different sensitivities and timbres being meticulously lined up so that their capsules were aligned within millimeters- all in service to the illusion of scientific objectivity.

There is science and then there is stupidity.

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Re: Mic Shootouts Online Are Fundamentally Flawed
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2020, 05:35:56 pm »

The SoundPure videos are the worst. They start out by saying how crazy a person must be to even want the vintage piece of equipment in their test. Little hints throughout like “thankfully, the original LA2A didn’t malfunction during our test.”
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Re: Mic Shootouts Online Are Fundamentally Flawed
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2020, 01:41:26 am »

Klaus, I agree strongly with what you've said here. If two microphones are the same make and model and ought to sound the same, a direct comparison is a nice, quick way to check that. If they're variations on the same basic thing (e.g. a KM 84 vs. a KM 140 or KM 184), sure. If you know something about one of the microphones, then after such a comparison you will know something about the other one, too.

But when two microphones have inherently different characteristics, your judgment that microphone "X" sounds better than microphone "Y" in setup "A" tells you nothing about which one will sound better in setup "B", let alone "C", "D" or "E". Your preference may be a total fluke--particularly if you weren't there when the recording was made. Different characteristics may come into play, e.g. differences in directional pattern in different frequency ranges.

--best regards
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Re: Mic Shootouts Online Are Fundamentally Flawed
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2020, 03:34:43 pm »

Studio work is mic shootout all the time.

You set a mic, don't get the sound you're after, try another one.
Only in real world's practical use a mic can show its qualities, over time.

There are too many variables involved to arrange a test scenario with global validity.

Today the saxophone sounds best with a Schoeps, next day the next sax player needs a Sennheiser MD421 - those mic's are worlds apart in a "shootout", so are the saxes ;D

A well sorted mic locker helps.
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