R/E/P Community

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

Pages: [1] 2  All   Go Down

Author Topic: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!  (Read 5784 times)

Thomas W. Bethel

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 318
  • Real Full Name: Thomas W. Bethel
  • When only the best will do.
78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« on: August 30, 2012, 08:47:17 pm »

I had to do a transfer of three 78 RPM acetate records that had been wrapped in Saran Wrap for over 20 years. It was a royal pain to get the Saran Wrap off the records and in a lot of places the Saran Wrap had bonded to the record surfaces. I used triple filtered deionized water to try and get them "clean" but did not have much luck. I don't want to use any solvents for fear I will damage the acetate further. Any ideas of how to get this bonding undone? The client is giving CDs of these records to her nieces and nephews as a gift.

Thanks in advance for any and all help!!!

Logged
Thomas W. Bethel
Managing Director
Acoustik Musik, Ltd.
http://www.acoustikmusik.com/

Doing what you love is freedom.
Loving what you do is happiness.

Celebrating 23 years in business in 2018

Allen Corneau

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 125
  • Real Full Name: Allen Corneau
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2012, 10:09:42 am »

Can't say I've ever had that issue before so no suggestions here.

Good luck!
Logged
Allen
=====
Allen Corneau Mastering
http://allencorneau.com/

John Roberts {JR}

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 94
  • Real Full Name: John Roberts
  • 10,000+
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2012, 11:07:29 am »

You may want to experiment with this on some loose saran wrap, but perhaps hot (warm) air might help help delaminate the saran wrap from the acetate. or not.

If the acetate recording is on a metal base, you might be able to keep the record cooler by heat sinking that to a larger mass.

Good luck, sounds like fun...

JR 
Logged
Circular Science     http://RESOTUNE.COM

"tune it or don't play it..."

Rick Sutton

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 35
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2012, 12:19:49 pm »

You may want to experiment with this on some loose saran wrap, but perhaps hot (warm) air might help help delaminate the saran wrap from the acetate. or not.

If the acetate recording is on a metal base, you might be able to keep the record cooler by heat sinking that to a larger mass.

Good luck, sounds like fun...

JR
Be very careful with any method that involves temperature change. I've seen discs that have been stable for decades fracture into a jig-saw puzzle when they were subjected to temperature change. This was with lacquer on metal disc.
Logged

Thomas W. Bethel

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 318
  • Real Full Name: Thomas W. Bethel
  • When only the best will do.
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2012, 07:01:45 pm »

Be very careful with any method that involves temperature change. I've seen discs that have been stable for decades fracture into a jig-saw puzzle when they were subjected to temperature change. This was with lacquer on metal disc.

Same here and these are lacquer on aluminum. I did the transfers the best I could and gave them to the client. I will wait for her to get back to me and see how she feels about the transfer. These discs were recorded so low in level that there is more noise than signal on most of them. Thank God for RX2 Advanced. The client said her mother did the Saran Wrap thing to "protect the discs from dust" I would have preferred the dust the Saran Wrap sticking to the disc's surface. Oh well!
Logged
Thomas W. Bethel
Managing Director
Acoustik Musik, Ltd.
http://www.acoustikmusik.com/

Doing what you love is freedom.
Loving what you do is happiness.

Celebrating 23 years in business in 2018

Ed Littman

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 50
  • Real Full Name: Ed Littman
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2012, 07:15:14 pm »

I've heard using wood glue can clean well. I have not tried it my self but I will soon.
Ed

Thomas W. Bethel

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 318
  • Real Full Name: Thomas W. Bethel
  • When only the best will do.
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2012, 09:20:41 pm »

I've heard using wood glue can clean well. I have not tried it my self but I will soon.
Ed

Like Elmer's Glue? How do you apply it and take it off? Seems like it might pull up the acetate.
Logged
Thomas W. Bethel
Managing Director
Acoustik Musik, Ltd.
http://www.acoustikmusik.com/

Doing what you love is freedom.
Loving what you do is happiness.

Celebrating 23 years in business in 2018

Hermetech Mastering

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 181
  • Real Full Name: Gregg Janman
  • Manual Gain Rider
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 06:39:36 am »

I've heard glue can be used for cleaning regular vinyl, but I'm not sure if it was recommended for acetates. Be careful!

Ed Littman

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 50
  • Real Full Name: Ed Littman
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2012, 10:01:26 am »

True be careful. Yes Elmer's glue. I would practice with a light coat on something not so valuable.
Ed

Greg Reierson

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 74
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2012, 10:36:13 am »

I think wood glue will stick to lacquer. Try on a trashed disk first.

Logged
Greg Reierson
Rare Form Mastering

Greg Reierson

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 74
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2012, 03:32:55 pm »

I had a group of friends over and we compared cleaning vinyl with wood glue against my VPI. The VPI won by a small margin but wood glue followed by the VPI was really good. Too bad the glue takes so long...
Logged
Greg Reierson
Rare Form Mastering

djwaudio

  • Moderator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 224
  • Real Full Name: Dana J White
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2012, 08:12:39 pm »

What about good old mild dish detergent and warm water?
Logged
Respectfully submitted,

Dana J White
Specialized Mastering
www.specializedmastering.com

Thomas W. Bethel

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 318
  • Real Full Name: Thomas W. Bethel
  • When only the best will do.
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2012, 05:33:49 am »

I tried using a mushroom brush and some deionized water without the dish washing liquid and it did not do anything. I think the Saran Wrap is chemically bonded to the acetate. I am afraid to use any kind of chemical or soap for fear it will lift the acetate from the substrate. Thanks for your input.
Logged
Thomas W. Bethel
Managing Director
Acoustik Musik, Ltd.
http://www.acoustikmusik.com/

Doing what you love is freedom.
Loving what you do is happiness.

Celebrating 23 years in business in 2018

Gold

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 85
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2012, 06:59:05 pm »

I'd think a sharp 78 stylus would slice right through plastic wrap. I'd put the tone arm on the record and hand wind it. Then look at what happened under a microscope or magnifying glass. What you see will determine the next move.
Logged
Paul Gold
Salt Mastering

Thomas W. Bethel

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 318
  • Real Full Name: Thomas W. Bethel
  • When only the best will do.
Re: 78 RPM Acetate records wrapped in plastic wrap...YUCK!
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2012, 08:04:15 am »

I'd think a sharp 78 stylus would slice right through plastic wrap. I'd put the tone arm on the record and hand wind it. Then look at what happened under a microscope or magnifying glass. What you see will determine the next move.

Thanks! I will try it. I appreciate all the good ideas and suggestions!!!
Logged
Thomas W. Bethel
Managing Director
Acoustik Musik, Ltd.
http://www.acoustikmusik.com/

Doing what you love is freedom.
Loving what you do is happiness.

Celebrating 23 years in business in 2018
Pages: [1] 2  All   Go Up