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Author Topic: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change  (Read 11269 times)

Hermetech Mastering

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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2012, 11:18:34 am »

Thanks, just ordered the 6th edition from Amazon Italy, so will hopefully have it soon!

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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2012, 02:44:43 pm »

Essentially I'd like a plugin that can do all the common things you'd find in a full featured analog mastering console in one plugin.  L solo, R solo, independent L and R (or linked) +/- gain adjustments with a "bit transparent" option to move in -6.020599913279624 steps, L/R channel swap, L and R phase invert, mono button, M solo, S solo and a width knob/slider (gaining up or down "S").  I can accomplish all of those things currently but need to use a combination of like 2 or 3 plugins to do all of them.  It's a workflow thing more than anything else.  I think it'd be a cool plugin to have on your pitch track. 


Maybe a little off topic. . .
Hove you seen the brainworx plugin bx_solo?  It's free and does a lot of the MS stuff you were talking of all in one plugin.  It doesn't do the bit transparent gain changes or single channel phase invert. . .


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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2012, 04:59:37 pm »

Nick,

Yep.  Between bx_solo, Flux Stereo Tool and Reaper I can do all of the things I outlined.  I still think it'd be cool to have one plugin that could do them all.
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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2012, 03:15:05 pm »

Nick,

Yep.  Between bx_solo, Flux Stereo Tool and Reaper I can do all of the things I outlined.  I still think it'd be cool to have one plugin that could do them all.


Cool.  Yeah, it would be cool to have those all in one.

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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2012, 03:51:56 pm »

Sounds like my Crookwood, only all in a plugin. Would be cool for working laptops "on the move" I guess. Maybe someone could custom make one for you?

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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2012, 03:59:53 pm »

Sounds like my Crookwood, only all in a plugin. Would be cool for working laptops "on the move" I guess. Maybe someone could custom make one for you?

Or for those of us who choose not to use a console or monitoring controller.
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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2012, 07:23:40 pm »

I always try to use:

2.71828

or

1.6180339

or

3.14159265

JT
JT -
Agree with the second one which is my favorite. Oh, BTW, it's actually 1.6180339999999999......
(the 9 is infinitely repeating). It does make a difference you know. How'd you forget that...?
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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2012, 07:54:39 pm »

JT -
Agree with the second one which is my favorite. Oh, BTW, it's actually 1.6180339999999999......
(the 9 is infinitely repeating). It does make a difference you know. How'd you forget that...?

Hahaha, my calculator doesn't do that many decimals.

Sounds pretty Golden anyways...

Good to hear from you Jeff!

Best, JT
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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2012, 12:13:03 pm »

Yes Gregg, it's its huge, & packed with information, almost a digital audio bible.

I've highlighted many sections over the years.

Continue to go back to it as a resource.

Enjoy, best regards, JT

p.s. I must add a comment, that when I'm making level changes in digital audio, I admire the purity of going "by the numbers", but the ear, as always,  is really the judge!

just received my soft-back copy today, pleased to see it's about a third the size of the curtis roads text, but looks very good!

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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2012, 09:43:34 pm »

In Samplitude you don't have to type in an exact amount. There is a button to Normalize to 50%. When you click on that it displays -6.02 in the db window.
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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2012, 03:56:25 am »

In Samplitude you don't have to type in an exact amount. There is a button to Normalize to 50%. When you click on that it displays -6.02 in the db window.

Did you check the normalized file with the bit meter (Bitter) ?


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Herbeck
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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2012, 11:14:41 pm »

If I import the file as is, it reports the playback is 16-bits.
If I do any gain change whatsoever, the bit meter reports 32-bit float.
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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2012, 11:27:33 pm »

Yeah not exactly the same thing as you want to do. I see that you want to drop the level 6.02db (ie. bitshift) and then output that directly to the DAC.

I would be interested to know if Sox (a linux utility) can do this. It has a 'dcshift' function that can alter the amplitude by whatever you want. If not, Ruby or Perl could probably do this using a script. And that could be run on macs, pc's or linux.
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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2012, 11:37:58 am »

I've not tested this plugin but I think it does the "Bit Pattern Transparency" thing.

http://www.cerberusaudio.com/Software/Products/Volt/

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Herbeck
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Re: Bit Pattern Transparency with 6dB gain change
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2012, 06:25:47 pm »

I've not tested this plugin but I think it does the "Bit Pattern Transparency" thing.

http://www.cerberusaudio.com/Software/Products/Volt/

Cheers,
Herbeck

Good find.  Yeah, that does bit transparent gain changes at the click of a button (confirmed using the Stillwell Audio Bitter bitscope plugin).  The price is right too ($15). 

When I have time I'm going to do some listening tests of a bit transparent gain reduction of -6.02059991 vs. a 'regular' gain reduction of -6.02.
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