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[Len]

I can hardly hear them. I am so used to hearing modern pop-rock CDs with loud,aggressive high end in the drums/percussion that I was pretty shocked when I heard this CD.  It's like the drum kit came without HH and cymbals.

The OH/Hi-Hats appear to be mixed very low, and without pushing the highs.  

A refreshing change that allows the vox/lyrics to come out more.

And a Grammy for best engineering to top it off.

Pity I'm not otherwise a fan of JM!

Len

[bigbone]

Get Steve Jordan as your drummer if you want that kind of performance.

[Geoff Emerick de Fake]

I had a revelation the day I went to a gig, the drummer was late so someone sat in but he had no cymbals whatsoever. I just loved that.
We have a producer here who very often says to the drummer: no cymbals. One day a drummer came with his cymbals and said: i just feel more comfortable having them installed, although I won't use them. The producer agreed, but finally scrapped the take and hired another drummer.

[Len]

The odd thing is that it's not Mr Jordan's playing, but rather the mixing.  He clearly uses cymbals and HHs, but for some reason they are mixed really really low.

And I like it!

[Jason Poff]

Or Steve could have hit them softer.

I know... what a silly concept.

[bigbone]

Len wrote on Fri, 18 February 2011 11:47

The odd thing is that it's not Mr Jordan's playing, but rather the mixing.  He clearly uses cymbals and HHs, but for some reason they are mixed really really low. And I like it!

Steve Jordan tone and playing has everything to do with it, the mix is only a small part of it, the playing is first.

[Extreme Mixing]

I'm pretty sure that Steve Jordan produced the record too, so if they're mixed low, it's what Steve wanted.

Steve

[David Barton]

they're mixed low, he might not have laid into them quite like a lot guys do, and he plays GIANT cymbals, so they have a lower pitch to them, which I think contributes to the effect. I enjoy it. really wish i had 400-500 bucks to blow on a couple of 17" thin crashes to use as hi-hats!

[bigbone]

I saw Steve Jordan Cymbal set-up and they are custom for him, you can't buy them.......

[bigbone]

Extreme Mixing wrote on Sat, 19 February 2011 00:18

I'm pretty sure that Steve Jordan produced the record too, so if they're mixed low, it's what Steve wanted. Steve

Agree, but his playing is what the song need.

[bigbone]

David Barton wrote on Sat, 19 February 2011 02:52

they're mixed low, he might not have laid into them quite like a lot guys do, and he plays GIANT cymbals, so they have a lower pitch to them, which I think contributes to the effect. I enjoy it. really wish i had 400-500 bucks to blow on a couple of 17" thin crashes to use as hi-hats!

I use some 16 '' Zildjian and they are at par, i love them.

[Waltz Mastering]

Room sound and  distant micing?

[David Barton]

bigbone wrote on Sat, 19 February 2011 09:13

I use some 16 '' Zildjian and they are at par, i love them.

yeah, man. he used to play some paiste 17" thin crashes. I wonder what is so different that he wanted custom cymbals now...

[theo mack]

BINGO!!

We have a winner!


"Or Steve could have hit them softer.

I know... what a silly concept."

[Fletcher]

BTW - you might want to go to http://repforums.prosoundweb.com [the "new and improved" R/E/P forums] and ask Mr. Brauer [one of the new moderators for "Whatever Works"] about this... after all he did win a Grammy