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the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« on: January 24, 2011, 05:56:16 pm »

I've noticed that for most burner drive models for the Plextor Premium line being sold by the last source I knew for them in the USA - http://www.esaitech.com - has been changing in their condition descriptions to "refurbished/recertified" instead of "new" - but just a heads up that the Premium 52-35-52 USB-externals being sold there (at somewhat exorbitant price) are in fact NOS (new old stock - i.e. never previously used) according to both their site and the customer service rep I spoke directly with.  
 http://www.esaitech.com/commerce/ccp50638-plextor-px-premium -u-sw-52x-32x-52x-plexwriter-pr-px-premium-u-1005971.htm

Considering the reports of mediocre performance of Optidrive Control, Plexutilities, and KProbe's BLER check accuracy relative to the old Plextools - it seems to me that this is one piece of "vintage digital" actually worth paying a premium for.  

Anyway - I just ordered another backup unit considering that I had one of my older Premium drives go down recently.  I figure we're at the tail end of even NOS Plextor "Premium" line drives being available.

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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2011, 08:31:38 pm »

Plextor sells a new drive that works with an updated version of Plextools. I can't remember the model off the top of my head, but I use it everyday.

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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2011, 08:55:37 pm »

mcsnare wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 20:31

Plextor sells a new drive that works with an updated version of Plextools. I can't remember the model off the top of my head, but I use it everyday.

Dave


There were the Premium 2's - but I haven't seen these available outside of European and Asian sellers - and apparently they are very difficult to source even from these at this point.

There were some of the older (now discontinued) 7xx series combo drives that were also part of the "Premium" line and compatible with Plextools' "Q-check" BLER testing (I use two 760's daily here in fact).

But afaik all the recent Plextor drives are rebranded drives (mainly from LiteOn) that use the new "Plexutilities" software - that from what I've seen has proven in tests to not be anywhere as near as accurate as Plextools in terms of BLER checks.  (I'm glad if folks can point to their own or other tests that run contrary to this info though.)

SO - is the drive you are using running Plexutilities?  Or is there something else out now that I wasn't aware of?  Do you mind checking what the model # is?

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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2011, 03:30:44 am »

I have two new Premium 2s (one in an unopened box) here, hopefully that'll tide me over to whatever the next suitable drive or way of doing things turns out to be - my current working P2 is doing fine at the moment after 3+ years.
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2011, 08:00:02 am »

It is a bit of a pickle because I know of no real alternative which feels as secure. Here's to hoping.
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2011, 08:06:15 am »

lowland wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 02:30

I have two new Premium 2s (one in an unopened box) here, hopefully that'll tide me over to whatever the next suitable drive or way of doing things turns out to be - my current working P2 is doing fine at the moment after 3+ years.

Yah, I bought a half-dozen Plex Premiums four or five years ago and stored them away. As the demand for discs drops every year, these will likely last me until I retire...
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2011, 08:25:25 am »

If you look on some European sites there is some available got 2 within the last six months. But you have to do some digging
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2011, 08:47:09 am »

As I'm just getting into Win7, I'm wondering if PlexTools will work in that OS (Pro 64). Anybody know...?
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2011, 08:53:06 am »

bblackwood wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 13:06

As the demand for discs drops every year, these will likely last me until I retire...

Yes, I'm certainly seeing a reduction in masters as audio CDs and also CD refs. With the rise in DDP takeup coupled with increased approval via the internet (I plan to buy DDP Player OEM soon to promote this) and more work intended for purely digital distribution, my CDR usage has roughly halved in the last year or so.
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2011, 10:14:22 am »

bblackwood wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 07:06

Yah, I bought a half-dozen Plex Premiums four or five years ago and stored them away. As the demand for discs drops every year, these will likely last me until I retire...


Yeah we bought a bunch of 716s, 755s and Premiums a few years ago, they're holding up pretty well. Lost a few over the years.

We currently have four of 'em running daily, with 4 NOS spares.

I don't expect 'em to last till I retire, since I'll probably working till I'm 80, then found keeled over the Sontec : - )

Seriously though, Doug, Bernie, and Bob are all still working, didn't know retirement was in the music industry vocabulary.

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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2011, 02:08:44 pm »

lowland wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 03:30

I have two new Premium 2s (one in an unopened box) here, hopefully that'll tide me over to whatever the next suitable drive or way of doing things turns out to be - my current working P2 is doing fine at the moment after 3+ years.

Same here.  I've got a pair of NIB Premium 2s, a Premium 2 in service for burning, and one of the USB enclosed ones that lives in VMWare Fusion for Plextools.   Just bought another of those from the esaitech site as a backup for that, but given the growing proportion of masters delivered as DDP and changing demands, I think even this small pile may last me until Brad retires.
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2011, 05:02:51 pm »

OTR-jkl wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 07:47

As I'm just getting into Win7, I'm wondering if PlexTools will work in that OS (Pro 64). Anybody know...?


At least it works in Pro-32
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2011, 07:17:52 pm »

dave-G wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 14:08

lowland wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 03:30

I have two new Premium 2s (one in an unopened box) here, hopefully that'll tide me over to whatever the next suitable drive or way of doing things turns out to be - my current working P2 is doing fine at the moment after 3+ years.

Same here.  I've got a pair of NIB Premium 2s, a Premium 2 in service for burning, and one of the USB enclosed ones that lives in VMWare Fusion for Plextools.   Just bought another of those from the esaitech site as a backup for that, but given the growing proportion of masters delivered as DDP and changing demands, I think even this small pile may last me until Brad retires.



Dave -
Where did you purchase your Premium 2's from?

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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2011, 07:21:36 pm »

TotalSonic wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 19:17

Dave -
Where did you purchase your Premium 2's from?

Plextor USA had some back in 2006 ... I bought my bunch directly from them.

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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2011, 07:37:14 pm »

dave-G wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 19:21

TotalSonic wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 19:17

Dave -
Where did you purchase your Premium 2's from?

Plextor USA had some back in 2006 ... I bought my bunch directly from them.

-Dave


oh well, I'm 5 years late to that party!

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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2011, 08:07:50 pm »

OTR-jkl wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 23:47

As I'm just getting into Win7, I'm wondering if PlexTools will work in that OS (Pro 64). Anybody know...?

Works fine for me
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2011, 08:31:50 pm »

Small update:  I think I might have found another source for 755's but I need to find out from them whether these are refurbished or actually NOS.  

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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2011, 01:26:11 pm »

My 716 seems to be going south as it's getting picky about burning DVD's but reads fine (for now).

I just picked up a used one off eBay for $35 so I hope to stay running for a while longer, but a better solution would be nice.
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2011, 01:17:58 pm »

TotalSonic wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 20:55

mcsnare wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 20:31

Plextor sells a new drive that works with an updated version of Plextools. I can't remember the model off the top of my head, but I use it everyday.

Dave


There were the Premium 2's - but I haven't seen these available outside of European and Asian sellers - and apparently they are very difficult to source even from these at this point.

There were some of the older (now discontinued) 7xx series combo drives that were also part of the "Premium" line and compatible with Plextools' "Q-check" BLER testing (I use two 760's daily here in fact).

But afaik all the recent Plextor drives are rebranded drives (mainly from LiteOn) that use the new "Plexutilities" software - that from what I've seen has proven in tests to not be anywhere as near as accurate as Plextools in terms of BLER checks.  (I'm glad if folks can point to their own or other tests that run contrary to this info though.)

SO - is the drive you are using running Plexutilities?  Or is there something else out now that I wasn't aware of?  Do you mind checking what the model # is?

Best regards,
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Steve, I'm using a PX-880SA with PlexUtilities v 1.3
Seems to work fine for checking errors.

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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2011, 01:39:19 pm »

mcsnare wrote on Fri, 11 February 2011 13:17

TotalSonic wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 20:55

mcsnare wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 20:31

Plextor sells a new drive that works with an updated version of Plextools. I can't remember the model off the top of my head, but I use it everyday.

Dave


There were the Premium 2's - but I haven't seen these available outside of European and Asian sellers - and apparently they are very difficult to source even from these at this point.

There were some of the older (now discontinued) 7xx series combo drives that were also part of the "Premium" line and compatible with Plextools' "Q-check" BLER testing (I use two 760's daily here in fact).

But afaik all the recent Plextor drives are rebranded drives (mainly from LiteOn) that use the new "Plexutilities" software - that from what I've seen has proven in tests to not be anywhere as near as accurate as Plextools in terms of BLER checks.  (I'm glad if folks can point to their own or other tests that run contrary to this info though.)

SO - is the drive you are using running Plexutilities?  Or is there something else out now that I wasn't aware of?  Do you mind checking what the model # is?

Best regards,
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Steve, I'm using a PX-880SA with PlexUtilities v 1.3
Seems to work fine for checking errors.

Dave


Dave -
Have you verified any of the Plexutilities test results with Plextools, Clover, Stagetech or Eclipse?  I guess if you are getting no "fails" on provided CD-R's from the plants then no news is good news - but I'm still interested in knowing whether PlexUtilities returns the same results as Plextools

A few reports from others I've seen have stated that Plextools has found errors where PlexUtilities have found none - but it's possible this has been changed in a more recent update of PlexUtilities.

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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2011, 08:43:21 am »

Although I stocked up on 700 and premium series Plextors a few years ago, I also recently bought a new PX880 just to checkout the newer Plexutilities.

I found that the new software was not picking up the errors that Plextools was.

I also found that burns on my new PX880 came out looking really bad on C1's, when checked on a 700 series and Plextools.

Maybe my 880 is just a bad one?  
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2011, 01:01:00 pm »

The 800's are not great I have one in a SADiE 4 machine (which is not identifiable by the SADIE as it needs SCSI). I can use it as a back up for basic burns/rips etc. The PC it is in died a while back so I will pull it and use it in my internet machine.

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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2011, 03:45:44 pm »

Table Of Tone wrote on Mon, 14 February 2011 08:43

Although I stocked up on 700 and premium series Plextors a few years ago, I also recently bought a new PX880 just to checkout the newer Plexutilities.

I found that the new software was not picking up the errors that Plextools was.

I also found that burns on my new PX880 came out looking really bad on C1's, when checked on a 700 series and Plextools.

Maybe my 880 is just a bad one?  


Or maybe Plextools was picking up more errors than was really there? Just sayin'.

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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2011, 05:56:29 pm »

I did quite a few cross checks with some other drives along with CD masters that came out showing unusually low errors.

Plextools seems to be more consistant when checking the same disc several times.

I seem to be getting the lowest errors with discs burnt on Sony Optiarc drives at 8x.

I only really use the old 700 series Plextors for checking.

The one thing about Plexutilities that I think is cool is the blank disc check that shows any bad spots.

That test can show up before burning what will up as a C2 on Plextools, after burning.
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2011, 06:50:05 pm »

mcsnare wrote on Wed, 16 February 2011 15:45



Or maybe Plextools was picking up more errors than was really there? Just sayin'.



Possible but unlikely.  If anything the ultimate arbiter as it is the one used at the majority of plants is the Eclipse test - and in general Eclipse will find errors where even Plextools doesn't.

I'd figure if anywhere would have a Clover or Stagetech (which many have found to be more accurate than Plextools) to confirm or contradict differences in Plextools and Plexutilities it would be Sterling.  Maybe you can ask some of the QC assistants to check a couple discs for you and let us know what you find?

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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2011, 08:08:10 pm »

Maybe another reason to push more plants to take DDP images instead of having to burn physical media?

I'd love to give up the aggravations of all the things that can go wrong making a CD-R master (C2 errors, printing goofs, lost in the mail, etc.) and stick with MD5-checked DDP images.
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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2011, 12:31:49 am »

I saw a Plextor Premium on net today for 250 bucks, seems a tad high, but if you really need one, worth it. After all it is a critical gear item.

I did find a NOS 716 recently for a reasonable price, but those finds are getting rare as hens teeth.

on a related topic my supplies of TY discs keep creeping down in quality, still within spec, but not super low errors like 5years ago.

I suppose sending a DDP image on a DVD-R will supplant CD-R masters at some point.

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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2011, 01:50:20 am »

Jerry Tubb wrote on Wed, 16 February 2011 21:31



on a related topic my supplies of TY discs keep creeping down in quality, still within spec, but not super low errors like 5years ago.




Seeing the same here.
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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2011, 01:59:19 am »

Rick Sutton wrote on Wed, 16 February 2011 23:50

Jerry Tubb wrote on Wed, 16 February 2011 21:31



on a related topic my supplies of TY discs keep creeping down in quality, still within spec, but not super low errors like 5years ago.




Seeing the same here.



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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2011, 09:18:05 am »

Table Of Tone wrote on Mon, 14 February 2011 13:43



I found that the new software was not picking up the errors that Plextools was.



It is worth remembering that the hardware is different too. The old Plextors used Sanyo chipsets while the newer Plextors with error checking (which are mainly rebadged LiteOns) use Mediatek chipsets. I suspect that the hardware reports errors differently.

Plextools only works properly with the Sanyo based drives while I suspect that Plex Utilities only works properly with the Mediatek drives.

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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2011, 04:24:39 pm »

i bought three premium 2's after hearing the stories about them not being available anymore in the usa. about 90% is ddp here, so i don't use them that much but i'm glad i did get 'm.

i did a lot of burning tests with a PX-830UF and it gave very good results.
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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2011, 04:53:43 pm »

I remember a few years ago i tested a master in two different Premium 2's, and the results came out quite different. After that i stopped worrying about it too much. I still test every master in Plextools, but as long as i don't get any of those blue or red spikes, i don't pay too much attention to it.

Anyway, surely the first thing that happens to an audio CD master when it gets to the factory is it's ripped into some kind of computer system (to a DDP image?), so actually, as long as the data is 100% identical, we're good to go, right? Or does the plant try to exactly reproduce the pits as they are on the audio CD master they receive from us?

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« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2011, 05:20:28 pm »

Darius van H wrote on Thu, 17 February 2011 15:53

Anyway, surely the first thing that happens to an audio CD master when it gets to the factory is it's ripped into some kind of computer system, so actually as long as the data is 100% ok, we're good to go, right?



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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2011, 05:38:55 pm »

pmx wrote on Thu, 17 February 2011 21:24

i bought three premium 2's after hearing the stories about them not being available anymore in the usa. about 90% is ddp here, so i don't use them that much but i'm glad i did get 'm.

i did a lot of burning tests with a PX-830UF and it gave very good results.

A re-branded Sony Optiarc I believe?
I have a PX820 which definitely is.

That thing burns with very low errors!
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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2011, 06:20:23 pm »

Darius van H wrote on Thu, 17 February 2011 22:53


Anyway, surely the first thing that happens to an audio CD master when it gets to the factory is it's ripped into some kind of computer system (to a DDP image?), so actually, as long as the data is 100% identical, we're good to go, right? Or does the plant try to exactly reproduce the pits as they are on the audio CD master they receive from us?



But those cheapo low-end replicator/brokers actually often burn a CD from our DDP images...
I recently had one where all the pauses came out different...
Advantage is that beyond the DDP it's no longer our responsibility.
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2011, 09:20:34 am »

My original Plextor Premium is still going strong but unfortunately I missed the boat when it came to buying up older models as a back up. Has anyone used the Plextor PX-870A? I don't think its much different to the 880 previously mentioned. This model seems to be the only one available new in the UK at the moment. There have been a few reports of widely differing C1 errors when inserting the disc back into a Plextor Premium drive with Plextools. It seems most are ok though. I've never used PlexUltilites before though. Can you still do an HTML report on C1/C2 errors? I use this info and image on a test report for clients.
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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2011, 10:13:02 am »

I'm not sure that the PX870's error checking is as reliable as the Premium/Plextools combination so I would keep the Premium for error checking and use the new drive just for burning.

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« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2011, 02:11:52 pm »

I have a 8xx series drive in a machine but I have never really used it for anything critical, a bit of ripping, software load etc a copy or 2. Shame these legendary drives are going by the wayside.
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Re: the last of the NOS Plextor Premiums?
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2011, 03:26:17 pm »

I managed to get a brand new, sealed Premium 2 drive on EBay for
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