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Bob Olhsson

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Re: Health care - the need for reformation (was Roger Nichols)
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2011, 10:17:27 pm »

Health care in America is a classic "insurance job." The more it costs, the more the insurance companies earn. What the federal government already pays could easily cover everybody.

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Re: Health care - the need for reformation (was Roger Nichols)
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2011, 12:33:21 am »

Extreme Mixing wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 04:16

Good points William.

Health care in America should really be a right.  In many ways, it is.  You don't see poor migrant worker's children being born on the street outside the hospital, do you?  And if they are born with a defective heart they get medical attention.  Right?

With rights come responsibility.  That's why I think everyone should pay in, even if you're young and healthy, because you never know what life will bring your way.  I don't know Roger's situation.  Maybe he had a pre-existing condition that made it impossible for him to get coverage.  Or maybe he just didn't think he would ever need medical services.  Either way, $10 donations from a few friends online surely won't be enough to fight this type of cancer.  He won't get much public aid until he has used all of his money and left his family destitute.  That's no way to live and it's certainly not a good way to die.

If you don't think the medical system in this country needs an overhaul then you just haven't been sick enough yet.  I've spent some time in the hospital, and I've seen the bills.  They are astounding!  But at least I got better.

Steve





We have to be careful to not confuse having medical insurance with having medical care.  Insurance doesn't guarantee care, and it doesn't guarantee that our bills will be paid.  A quick google search brings up this statistic:
Sixty-two percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses. Of those who filed for bankruptcy in 2007, nearly 80 percent had health insurance.

I don't know Roger's situation either, but I know that having insurance does NOT in any way mean that a person's finances won't be wiped out by medical bills.  

As for the fact that emergency rooms can't turn away emergency cases, that does not equal health care.  Emergency rooms only have to treat emergency cases, and they are only obligated to stabilize the patient.  That's it.  No preventative care.  No ongoing or long term care. No treating of small problems before they become big problems.  It's an incredibly expensive & inefficient system, both in terms of monetary cost and human suffering.
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Re: Roger Nichols Fighting For His Life, Needs Your Help
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2011, 03:22:18 pm »

YZ wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 04:08

FFoster wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 09:39


Yes, lets have the government run health care so it can be inaccessible to everybody.


That does not seem to be the case in several countries where there is a government-run health care structure.



Would the average working person in China, Cuba, etc. receive unlimited state-of-the-art cancer treatments? Would Hu Jintao or Fidel?  Just wondering.

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Re: Roger Nichols Fighting For His Life, Needs Your Help
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2011, 06:24:42 pm »

JDNelson wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 18:22

YZ wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 04:08

FFoster wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 09:39


Yes, lets have the government run health care so it can be inaccessible to everybody.


That does not seem to be the case in several countries where there is a government-run health care structure.



Would the average working person in China, Cuba, etc. receive unlimited state-of-the-art cancer treatments? Would Hu Jintao or Fidel?  Just wondering.


I have absolutely no idea, those two countries are communist, de facto dictatorships where the press is heavily censored so any details about the reality of day-to-day life of the commoner there are hard to know. One can only guess, and it is better to leave guesswork outside of this discussion and focus on "known knowns" and use as references only democratic countries.

The only certainty is that, much like in the USA, their political class probably receive the very best medical care that can be had within their territory.
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Re: Roger Nichols Fighting For His Life, Needs Your Help
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2011, 08:07:32 pm »

JDNelson wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 15:22


Would the average working person in China, Cuba, etc. receive unlimited state-of-the-art cancer treatments? Would Hu Jintao or Fidel?  Just wondering.

So China and Cuba are your standards of excellence.
I would like to aim a bit higher.

Although, you might be right. The US and Cuba are tied at #36 for life expectancy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expec tancy

And Cuba's infant mortality is lower than ours.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mor tality_rate
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Re: Health care - the need for reformation (was Roger Nichols)
« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2011, 08:18:44 pm »

We are only #36 because we are #47 in math.

-cue team america theme-
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Re: Health care - the need for reformation (was Roger Nichols)
« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2011, 11:42:20 am »

Tidewater wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 17:18

We are only #36 because we are #47 in math.
Math was invented by Arabs and other foreigners.  It can't be trusted.

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Re: Health care - the need for reformation (was Roger Nichols)
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2011, 11:58:05 am »

Jay Kadis wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 16:42

Tidewater wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 17:18

We are only #36 because we are #47 in math.
Math was invented by Arabs and other foreigners.  It can't be trusted.



No we foreigners have "maths"

I think it's the missing "s" that's messing up your calculations.
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Re: Health care - the need for reformation (was Roger Nichols)
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2011, 01:36:03 pm »

Jay Kadis wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 08:42

Tidewater wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 17:18

We are only #36 because we are #47 in math.
Math was invented by Arabs and other foreigners.  It can't be trusted.


USA!!! #47!!! WOO-HOO!!!
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Re: Health care - the need for reformation (was Roger Nichols)
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2011, 04:30:26 pm »

AMER_ICA! EFF YEAH! Freedom isn't free. Buck oh five, dood.

Math wasn't invented by Arabs. They brought nothing to the table.
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Re: Health care - the need for reformation (was Roger Nichols)
« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2011, 04:57:27 pm »

Tidewater wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 21:30

Math wasn't invented by Arabs. They brought nothing to the table.


Well they didn't so much bring nothing to the table (that was arguably the Indians) but they did pass it down the table to the Europeans, who were a bit slow to catch on.


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Re: Health care - the need for reformation (was Roger Nichols)
« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2011, 07:47:29 am »

Going back on-topic...

I've been a member here for about five years.

Over that period, I've read a few 'calls for help' to the benefit of fellow audio engineers who fell on hard times due to illness.

IIRC, all from the USA.

None from Europe or elsewhere.

Something to think about.
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Re: Health care - the need for reformation (was Roger Nichols)
« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2011, 11:53:29 am »

YZ wrote on Wed, 26 January 2011 04:47

Going back on-topic...

I've been a member here for about five years.

Over that period, I've read a few 'calls for help' to the benefit of fellow audio engineers who fell on hard times due to illness.

IIRC, all from the USA.

None from Europe or elsewhere.

Something to think about.

No.
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Re: Health care - the need for reformation (was Roger Nichols)
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2011, 01:12:18 pm »

YZ wrote on Wed, 26 January 2011 08:47

Going back on-topic...

I've been a member here for about five years.

Over that period, I've read a few 'calls for help' to the benefit of fellow audio engineers who fell on hard times due to illness.

IIRC, all from the USA.

None from Europe or elsewhere.

Something to think about.

Outstanding point.
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Re: Health care - the need for reformation (was Roger Nichols)
« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2011, 07:24:57 pm »

In Europe, the first thing they do when you get sick is turn off your internet.

www.snopes.com/sick_in_europe.html
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