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Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« on: January 21, 2011, 08:50:44 pm »

Finally found the application where this mic tops all others in my mic collection.  Truly phenomenal high hat mic.  Way to go Mercenary!

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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2011, 10:21:33 pm »

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If you care that much about the hi-hat...

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There might be something wrong with the MUSIC.
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MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36

I have the feeling that I have more experience in my little finger than you do in your whole body about audio electronics..

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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2011, 10:31:15 pm »

Like your coles 4040 would not do a stellar job also!?!!?

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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2011, 10:41:39 pm »

I like to use this for hi-hat mics:

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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2011, 12:14:12 am »

What is a hi hat mic?
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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2011, 02:37:27 am »

compasspnt wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 21:14

What is a hi hat mic?


One that gets hidden up hi, in a hat.

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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2011, 03:14:16 am »

Microphones aside, I just hate most hi-hats.
Period.
I would still love to give the 69 a whirl, though.
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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2011, 07:13:02 am »

compasspnt wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 05:14

What is a hi hat mic?


It's the one you turn up very loud in the drummer's headphone mix to make him play it more quietly.
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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2011, 01:16:03 pm »

Once you give the drummer 17 inch hats you’ll never go back. I”m serious here. Actually got me to love recording hi hats occasionally. REALLY occasionally.
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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2011, 05:03:25 pm »

i'ts always refreshing to listen to some 60/70s recordings like CSNY and realize that one of the reasons i enjoy the sound so much is that there's often no hi hat being played.  Leaves so much space in the arrangement.  I was leaning Deja Vu a while ago (playing in a band doing the whole record on it's 40th anniversary)  Having that space makes room for the strumming guitars and really makes the jabbing rhythm of the electrics hit you.  
Still if I'm using a pair of coles for OH i will put a spot on the hat, just in case......
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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2011, 07:51:20 pm »

OOF! wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 22:03

it's always refreshing to listen to some 60/70s recordings like CSNY and realize that one of the reasons i enjoy the sound so much is that there's often no hi hat being played.  Leaves so much space in the arrangement.




Very +1. The trouble I've had when I've suggested this to bands - they freak out, most of 'em! No hi-hat??


And I don't (just) mean the drummers.


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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2011, 10:47:17 pm »

you are upsetting jazz drummers world wide


when an old jazz cat comes in and asks if i'm gonna
mic his sock, i just smile and say  
"of course"


frickin' hated that trashy van halen open hat shit,
and then everyone started doin' it
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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2011, 01:31:46 am »

compasspnt wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 00:14

What is a hi hat mic?



Due resect - but of all people who might have responded to this thread I would have expected you to understand just how important great capture of a great drummers playing of the H/H is to the groove of a song.

The H/H [at least to me] is as important as the kik and snare.  It is THE element of groove for a great drummer that separates the men from the boys.

The capture of that element of the kit is [to me]  of paramount importance... its why Charlie Watts is a genius - it is why Bernard Purdie is a king, why  Steve Gadd is to be revered.   It is the soul of the instrument we call drums - and why the KM-69 was commissioned to see the light of day.

Hearing - or more importantly "feeling" the hat in the groove is [to me] of such importance that if anyone has to ask the question of why it is important that they should seek a living in the provision of plumbing supplies.

The primary reason the KM-69 came to be was to capture H/H.... if you see no reason to this then I suggest you question the majority of your career which [at least from the highlights that have inspired me to aspire to excellence in my albeit minor career] brought you to the the status you have achieved.

High hat - albeit an unknown part of the kit to the great majority of listeners - is the key to the feel of the groove -- or at least it is in my world, and as always YMMV.

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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2011, 03:03:37 am »

Uh, that was called "being facetious."
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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2011, 09:06:56 am »

Fair enough... some times its difficult to tell...
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CN Fletcher

mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid


"Recording engineers are an arrogant bunch.  
If you've spent most of your life with a few thousand dollars worth of musicians in the studio, making a decision every second and a half... and you and  they are going to have to live with it for the rest of your lives, you'll get pretty arrogant too.  It takes a certain amount of balls to do that... something around three"
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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2011, 09:09:28 am »

QUEEF BAG wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 03:47

you are upsetting jazz drummers world wide




They read this nonsense??  Smile


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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2011, 09:20:38 am »

MagnetoSound wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 08:09

QUEEF BAG wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 03:47

you are upsetting jazz drummers world wide




They read this nonsense??  Smile






They read?
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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2011, 09:40:28 am »

Was hi-hat micing common before 1980?  That was the year the Linndrum and TR-808 were released and the hi-hat sounds of those drum machines had a big influence on drum sounds.
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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2011, 10:22:56 am »

Fletcher wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 09:06

Fair enough... some times its difficult to tell...


No problem!

In answer to when the hh mic became ubiquitous, I recall in the 60's I would mic it about 50/50. If I did, it would be with either a KM-84, or by late 60's a 451.

As now, depends on the drummer, how loud he hits it, type of sound you're going for, etc.
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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2011, 11:16:23 am »

ssltech wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 22:21

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If you care that much about the hi-hat...

...

There might be something wrong with the MUSIC.



It's only about 70 % of the groove when it's well play  Rolling Eyes


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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2011, 12:30:18 pm »

Fletcher wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 22:31


Due resect - but of all people who might have responded to this thread I would have expected you to understand just how important great capture of a great drummers playing of the H/H is to the groove of a song.


All true, and in the rare occasions I work with someone actually in control of this weapon, I will consider putting a mic on it.

Unfortunately for those of us not working predominately with Steve Gadd it's also a crutch and a timekeeper for ham fisted bucket beaters. Often times, my entire approach to recording drums is figuring out how I can keep EVERY mic in the room from being a hat mic...

I'm sure the KM69 rocks the hat on a good player.

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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2011, 01:21:42 pm »

compasspnt wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 10:22

In answer to when the hh mic became ubiquitous, I recall in the 60's I would mic it about 50/50. If I did, it would be with either a KM-84, or by late 60's a 451.


I was 99.998475% of the time a KM-84 guy... when I couldn't get a KM-84 that didn't get me harder than Chinese Algebra... the KM-69 came into existence as a substitute weapon... its nice that some people who were made after the original KM-84 was discontinued are catching onto the concept  Cool

zakco wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 12:30

[Unfortunately for those of us not working predominately with Steve Gadd it's also a crutch and a timekeeper for ham fisted bucket beaters. Often times, my entire approach to recording drums is figuring out how I can keep EVERY mic in the room from being a hat mic...


Yeah I know the bitch of it when every mic in the room turns into some form of H/H mic... and sometimes those drummers will take a bit of advice on how to make it so it ain't... like moving the H/Hs a couple inches higher than they're used to [dude - I gottta move the hats to get my snare mic in the right place!!!] or an inch or three farther away from them... or add a little tape to the spot where they're hitting it [dude - it'll get the attack of the hats to fit in better with the kit - you'll hear it on playback and understand], etc., etc., etc.

Fortunately I haven't been sentenced to working with too many of those guys over the past bunch of years, but yeah - been there, done that, lived to tell the tale [though I'm probably a little grayer and a little balder from the stress they helped produce!!].

When you are do work with an excellent player - who knows how to control all the elements of their instrument - having the right weapons in the arsenal is a beautiful thing... makes your life easier and the product [hopefully] a little stronger.

When you're working with mediocre to sub-mediocre players you do what you can and try your level best... at the end of the day no matter how hard you work it probably won't come out the way YOU would like it to come out... but if the client is happy [while the "personal satisfaction" thing may be low] you've done your job and that's really what its all about.

Best of luck with all you do!!

Peace.
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mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid


"Recording engineers are an arrogant bunch.  
If you've spent most of your life with a few thousand dollars worth of musicians in the studio, making a decision every second and a half... and you and  they are going to have to live with it for the rest of your lives, you'll get pretty arrogant too.  It takes a certain amount of balls to do that... something around three"
Malcolm Chisholm

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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2011, 07:27:20 pm »

Fletcher wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 01:31

 it is why Bernard Purdie is a king,


i had the pleasure of playing live with mr. purdie a coupla weeks ago and he was behind the club's crappy house kit making a shitty pair of sabian B8 hats sound like, well mr. bernard purdie!  Smile

more on topic... ac/dc's phil rudd.  all about the hat. i.e. has he EVER even touched the ride cymbal?

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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2011, 05:36:33 pm »

johnR wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 13:13

compasspnt wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 05:14

What is a hi hat mic?


It's the one you turn up very loud in the drummer's headphone mix to make him play it more quietly.


i have to try this one, thanks for the tip!!
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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2011, 06:25:44 pm »

Any changes on the mike (or in the works) since it was released - a little less self noise, a bass roll off switch, etc?

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Re: Mercenary KM-69: AMAZING high hat mic!
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2011, 01:15:28 pm »

d gauss wrote on Sun, 30 January 2011 16:27

Fletcher wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 01:31

 it is why Bernard Purdie is a king,


i had the pleasure of playing live with mr. purdie a coupla weeks ago and he was behind the club's crappy house kit making a shitty pair of sabian B8 hats sound like, well mr. bernard purdie!  Smile

more on topic... ac/dc's phil rudd.  all about the hat. i.e. has he EVER even touched the ride cymbal?




Charlie Watts.  His hat accents are the core of that sleazy Stones "thing".  Really.
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