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Macc

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Re: M-S/conversion/routing considerations
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2011, 08:25:51 pm »

Thanks for the suggestions everyone - much appreciated Smile

It's really busy here, but I managed to try a couple of tracks comparing LR vs MS with no compensatory moves. That is, just to see how the same chain responded with the two different routings.

I tend not to do a lot of compression, but even with barely 0.5dB tickling the API and no other compression I was disappointed with how the whole thing held up against the LR version. It's contrary to how I felt running the API alone (as in, completely alone) in the first instance. So, at least that seems to be that ruled out, unless I am going to fart about compensating... but I have work to do.

I'll try the MS sidechain idea next probably and see how that goes, but I'm inclined to agree that a switchable MS matrix might be the best solution if I'm that desperate. Would have been much simpler if it hadn't worked so nicely on that first track... doh!

Thanks again all. I'll keep updating, if anyone cares enough, heh.

Cheers,

Bob.
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Re: M-S/conversion/routing considerations
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2011, 06:48:11 am »

jdg wrote on Thu, 13 January 2011 04:13

ah, G14 is sooooper touchy to input gain.



I found that a general bother when I had the unit, but it's very easily modded (2 resistors need replacing) to have a usable trim range.
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Re: M-S/conversion/routing considerations
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2011, 09:25:52 am »

24-96 Mastering wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 05:48

jdg wrote on Thu, 13 January 2011 04:13

ah, G14 is sooooper touchy to input gain.



I found that a general bother when I had the unit, but it's very easily modded (2 resistors need replacing) to have a usable trim range.


I've been very curious about the G14. Robin, why do you no longer have it?


GR
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Re: M-S/conversion/routing considerations
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2011, 10:30:13 am »

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Dangerous S&M yet.

It's definitely not the least expensive unit out there but it's another option.

Edit to add: There's also the SPL M/S Master...
http://www.spl.info/index.php?id=1164&L=

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Re: M-S/conversion/routing considerations
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2011, 06:54:54 pm »

SPL also is a partner with Dirk from BRAINWORX, who have the bx_XL software and both are showing at the NAMM Show.
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Re: M-S/conversion/routing considerations
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2011, 07:38:48 pm »

Greg Reierson wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 06:25

24-96 Mastering wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 05:48

jdg wrote on Thu, 13 January 2011 04:13

ah, G14 is sooooper touchy to input gain.



I found that a general bother when I had the unit, but it's very easily modded (2 resistors need replacing) to have a usable trim range.


I've been very curious about the G14. Robin, why do you no longer have it?


GR


double quoting for lazy

1. robin:
really? why/how would two resistors change its tendency to distort (albeit very nicely) at anything but a small input range

2. greg:
im not robin, but its very colorful nature was the reason i sold mine
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Re: M-S/conversion/routing considerations
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2011, 08:52:05 pm »

jdg wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 18:38

2. greg:
im not robin, but its very colorful nature was the reason i sold mine


Sorry John, lost track of the attribution trail.

I'm still curious. Color is the only reason I'd get another EQ.


GR
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Re: M-S/conversion/routing considerations
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2011, 11:00:43 pm »

Allen Corneau wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 10:30

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Dangerous S&M yet.

It's definitely not the least expensive unit out there but it's another option.





Nice box...

Ed
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Re: M-S/conversion/routing considerations
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2011, 11:52:52 pm »

Greg Reierson wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 17:52

jdg wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 18:38

2. greg:
im not robin, but its very colorful nature was the reason i sold mine


Sorry John, lost track of the attribution trail.

I'm still curious. Color is the only reason I'd get another EQ.


GR



its got color in spades
harmonic distortion, in a very nice way, and at the time, was too much for my simple chain

the one for sale on GS is originally mine, FYI/ETC/BBQ/HTML/OMFG

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Re: M-S/conversion/routing considerations
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2011, 08:17:51 am »

It's true - feeding it (G14) a sine wave and watching an analyser while adjusting the gain into shows you how much the harmonic structure changes at different levels. It's really quite striking!

BTW The reason (I think) noone mentioned other hardware boxes was cos I was trying to find a solution with what I have and not spend any more cash on gear for a little while!!

At the moment - in what must be a bit frustrating after all this hot air (sorry!) - I am most likely to forget the whole thing as I am having a whale of a time with the chain as a whole, with the extra options the API brings. That said, it's still interesting, and there's a few things still to try out Smile
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Re: M-S/conversion/routing considerations
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2011, 09:47:19 am »

jdg wrote on Sat, 15 January 2011 01:38


1. robin:
really? why/how would two resistors change its tendency to distort (albeit very nicely) at anything but a small input range


My bad, I completely misred your post. I thought you meant the trim range to be too touchy (which can easily be modified).




Greg Reierson


I've been very curious about the G14. Robin, why do you no longer have it?


jdg


im not robin, but its very colorful nature was the reason i sold mine


Pretty much the same here. Things that bothered me:

- box tone was quite strong... i.e. when taken out of bypass, even with all bands switched out, at my normal chain level it colored the signal more than I wanted from my passive EQ. The character you get is grippy and engaging, can be quite cool on the right material; but it isn't optional...

- low end boosts were very broad and felt quite soft. I know many love the G14 for that, but I was looking for, and had expected a "dryer feel" in the lows from a passive EQ.

There were things I enjoyed about the unit too; I very much liked scooping mids with it. The unit feels very organic at that, pretty cool. Jakob's help in modifying trim range was fantastic too. I might have kept it around if I had more rack space, but at 3U, it took up too much space to be only rarely used.



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Re: M-S/conversion/routing considerations
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2011, 10:38:13 am »

At the risk of taking my own thread more OT, hehe, knowing the box as I do I'd expect it depends a lot on the material you get. That in turn likely depends on the 'level' of mixes you tend to get in general. 'Digititus' is rife in my world, , and it really eases that a lot. If you're getting well mixed stuff most of the time then it can change stuff a fair bit.

If you want less, just run it a bit cooler - a little gain difference goes a long way. One man's 'touchy' is another man's 'precise', or something. I know what I mean anyway Laughing
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