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Bender Mastering

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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2010, 06:23:36 am »

Well, the Softube stuff sounds different to me! And sounds better than everything else and they sound like real gear...

The DSM from Pro Audio DSP (Paul Frindle's new company) is a great tool and a real problem solver.

Other than this yes, most plug-ins sound the "same" and aren't really that usable.

My opinion.
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dietrich

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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2010, 07:26:06 am »

I find this to be true me: someone recommends a new plugin which I try and use a week before going back to the plugs I have incorporated for awhile now.

Surgical Eq plugins are great. Compressors......aahhhh. I started with limited hardware and had to use plugs so a few have stayed in my workflow. uad cambridge is my fix go to for a long time. its funny how many times some one tells me i must try 'this eq'....and i use it for a few days and back to the cambridge for the task.

The uad MP very close to hardware as mentioned above. missed some overall depth but putting track slightly thru analog chain+the uad MP=same depth as just hardware.

I do thank the designers for software limiters

mcsnare

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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2010, 07:38:03 am »

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 01 December 2010 15:51

You are now a member of a special secret society.

Welcome.



Phil Demetro just informed me that this is a 'hot topic' already. Guess I should have done my research before posting. Thought I discovered this all on my own and I was the only one.

In other news. Phil Demetro can also tell you a few things about 'special secret societies'

Didn't Phil tell you the Illuminati wants us to think plug ins are great? It's part of their 'plan'.

Dave





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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2010, 07:59:26 am »

dcollins wrote on Wed, 01 December 2010 23:33

One thing you learn about plug-ins (at least in my experience) is that some are really hilariously bad.  Like how did it ever leave the lab kind of bad.  Some are actually pretty good.  EQ's are in that category.  Compressors need work.........


After doing technical tests on plugs for many years the conclusion is that most software developers can't posibbly be using even rudimentary test routines. Not to mention listening. Being able to program does not equate audio engineering skills.

The cool thing about it is the low correlation between price and quality. It's now possible to build an arsenal of highly competent digital routines on the cheap.
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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2010, 08:35:13 am »

AndreasN wrote on Thu, 02 December 2010 07:59

The cool thing about it is the low correlation between price and quality. It's now possible to build an arsenal of highly competent digital routines on the cheap.




Steve Massey for one.
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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2010, 08:37:58 am »

lets just talk once more about the GUI of the SPL Passeq plug..
why......

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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2010, 08:48:24 am »

I agree with most of what has been said. I've always been more of a hardware guy, whether it be synths or compressors. The only place plugins seem to work for me is in the limiting realm, with occasional "surgical" EQ.
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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2010, 11:21:04 am »

dcollins wrote on Wed, 01 December 2010 16:33


But I'm optimistic.  Really, I am.  It's just that analog is 70 years old, good sounding outboard digital like 10 and eventually they will get it.



This is one of the reasons why it's so fun to work with digital, there are plenty of things to discover.
It's cool to know that you have an eq that is truly unique, when people claim they are all the same.

The latest thing I've worked on is digital gain, not many developers worked on this one. =)



All the best

Herbeck


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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2010, 01:40:21 pm »

I still find that my outboard Digital EQ, a humble Z-Sys, sounds better than any ITB plug-in EQ.

JT
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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2010, 01:53:16 pm »

I'd love to find some plugs that were as good or better than my hardware, but i've been disappointed over and over. I'm certain they'll get there, but they aren't there yet, ime.
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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2010, 01:58:21 pm »

UAD Precision EQ gets a little play, but that's about it for mastering.
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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2010, 03:28:15 pm »

They have come on quite a bit in the last few years and more are sounding like they are part of the sound rather than a layer on top of the sound.

Some of the compressors are improving but I still find myself relying on a hardware compressor be it a digital one.
You wouldn't think it would make a difference it's just computing right but it always seems to sound more solid.
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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2010, 03:51:43 pm »

Herbeck wrote on Thu, 02 December 2010 08:21


The latest thing I've worked on is digital gain, not many developers worked on this one. =)



How hard is it to call the 'multiply' instruction?


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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2010, 04:51:36 pm »

dcollins wrote on Thu, 02 December 2010 14:51

Herbeck wrote on Thu, 02 December 2010 08:21


The latest thing I've worked on is digital gain, not many developers worked on this one. =)


How hard is it to call the 'multiply' instruction?



I've come up with a slightly different idea, and it sounds great.
Same thing with the eq that I mentioned, it is not the same old concept it's something new.

And if you or anyone else want to hear an example, I'll be happy to post one.



All the best

Herbeck
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Re: Plug-Ins - not convinced yet
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2010, 04:58:51 pm »

The waves de-esser seems to be getting a work out a bit more lately, although sparingly ...sibilance kills me.
That's usually it besides a limiter.

Herbeck wrote on Thu, 02 December 2010 16:51


I've come up with a slightly different idea, and it sounds great.
Same thing with the eq that I mentioned, it is not the same old concept it's something new.



What format do you code for. rtas, vst, au?
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