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masterhse

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Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2010, 01:06:34 pm »

Other than a matter if interest in this particular case, the methodology is almost irrelevant. An automated approach to mastering in any form shows complete ignorance of what the process is truly about.

I hope that the site becomes popular, it may do more to actually help our industry.
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Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2010, 02:44:36 pm »

24-96 Mastering wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 17:12


Hi Paul, did you read my last post?


I'll be frank. It looks to me like your web service, at this point in time, is either broken and/or a scam.

When I tested it, it didn't actually do any deterministic processing whatsoever, it only introduced some harmonic distortion, both on the "master" and on the file that was misleadingly labelled "before", suggesting that this is down to bad DSP rather than intention.

Then, there's the issue of the "before" sample presented for comparison being attenuated by 2 dB, meaning the (otherwise unaltered) "master" will sound exactly 2dB more impressive - in your player only.


Do you understand the implications from those two observations? Is there an explanation for this?





Robin,

Thank you for taking such an interest in our service and for sharing your results and feedback. As I mentioned before, we are constantly looking to improve the service. To that end, I have met with our development team and investigated the 2dB issue that you described. We found a bug in the song upload process, and it seems to be resolved now. I invite you to try uploading your song again and report the results.
In addition, please stay tuned for the next version of the website which will include more user control over the mastering process.

Thanks,
Paul
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Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2010, 09:36:21 pm »

this thread is now 2nd on the list of google results when you search for "instant song mastering," and the 3daudio thread is 6th.
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Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2010, 10:21:31 pm »

Well thank goodness that -2 dB bug got fixed!
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Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2010, 10:55:51 pm »

it's been operating for a year. They just found the bug?
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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2010, 10:56:14 pm »

I think it's a good thing. Imagine the type of clients this kind of mastering service would attract. Now imagine the kind of painful phone conversations you would be having with them if this "service" wasn't out there to chum the waters. Maybe even a top mastering house commissioned it.  Very Happy
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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2010, 10:59:35 pm »

TurtleTone wrote on Mon, 15 November 2010 21:55

it's been operating for a year. They just found the bug?

No, they didn't. The professional mastering engineers on REP and 3dB did...
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Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2010, 11:20:18 pm »

And it wasn't a "bug"...
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Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2010, 01:04:01 am »

Andreas from 3dB found this:
 https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dQDuS3  MdkjAJ:www.scriptlance.com/projects/1270934800.shtml+http://  www.scriptlance.com/projects/1270934800.shtml&cd=1&h l=de&ct=clnk&gl=de

Funny stuff.

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« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2010, 08:07:58 am »

Waltz Mastering wrote on Tue, 16 November 2010 01:04

Andreas from 3dB found this:
   https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dQDuS3    MdkjAJ:www.scriptlance.com/projects/1270934800.shtml+http://    www.scriptlance.com/projects/1270934800.shtml&cd=1&h l=de&ct=clnk&gl=de

Funny stuff.


Also see:

 http://efreedom.com/Question/1-2633157/Reading-WAV-File-VSTN et-Process-Plugin

http://stackoverflow.com/users/182080/paul
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Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2010, 09:06:32 am »

masterhse wrote on Tue, 16 November 2010 14:07

http://stackoverflow.com/users/182080/paul



Interesting, because it leads us to:

http://www.paulericloeb.com/

where the following can be read:


Quote:

I am currently in school at Video Symphony studying Pro Tools Audio Engineering
I work as a Web Developer for USC Auxiliary Services http://aux.usc.edu/
I am the Co-Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Fresh Intermedia http://www.freshintermedia.com/
I am the President and Chief Executive Officer of No Ego Records http://www.noegorecords.com/
I am the Co-Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Megapony http://www.megapony.com/
I am a Music Producer and DJ http://www.loebmusic.com/
I graduated in May 2009 from the University of Southern California
Major: Business Administration
Concentration: Entrepreneurship
Minor: Music Industry



Truly puzzling stuff.


Regards
Patrik
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Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2010, 09:28:44 am »

ISMPaul wrote on Mon, 15 November 2010 20:44

24-96 Mastering wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 17:12


Hi Paul, did you read my last post?


I'll be frank. It looks to me like your web service, at this point in time, is either broken and/or a scam.

When I tested it, it didn't actually do any deterministic processing whatsoever, it only introduced some harmonic distortion, both on the "master" and on the file that was misleadingly labelled "before", suggesting that this is down to bad DSP rather than intention.

Then, there's the issue of the "before" sample presented for comparison being attenuated by 2 dB, meaning the (otherwise unaltered) "master" will sound exactly 2dB more impressive - in your player only.


Do you understand the implications from those two observations? Is there an explanation for this?





Robin,

Thank you for taking such an interest in our service and for sharing your results and feedback. As I mentioned before, we are constantly looking to improve the service. To that end, I have met with our development team and investigated the 2dB issue that you described. We found a bug in the song upload process, and it seems to be resolved now. I invite you to try uploading your song again and report the results.
In addition, please stay tuned for the next version of the website which will include more user control over the mastering process.

Thanks,
Paul



Hi Paul,

I had another test run with it.


The one hing that has indeed changed is that now, the supposed "before" sample isn't attenuated anymore. The 2 dB difference in gain between the "before" and "after" sample is still there though... and we all know what that means. But at least the "before" level in the comparison is now true to the source. Now, when the sample approaches 0dBfs, the "after" sample is clipped.



Besides that however, nothing has changed as far as I can tell. The process still isn't really doing anything (it doesn't seem to be deterministic, let alone intelligent). There's no EQ and no dynamics, and the source I used clearly needed some EQ work.

The only difference, as before, is an increase in harmonic distortion, but as before, that's both on the "after" and the supposed "before" sample, indicating it's unintentional.


Essentially, the service, as it is now, is adding 2 dB of gain, while (likely accidentally) adding significant distortion.

Is that the service that you intend to sell? Or is it still broken?

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Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2010, 09:59:00 am »

Maybe this is all a school project or a way to become the new Bill Gates??? If he is making money more power to him. The only thing that upsets me is how gullible do you have to be to believe this on line APP will "master" your music? The problem is some "poor starving musicians" will use this "service" find out that they spent some money that was basically wasted, condemn all mastering and mastering engineers and say the next time they will DIY it themselves or will forgo the whole mastering process.

Maybe version 2 of their website will offer more tweaking???
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Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2010, 10:28:15 am »

Patrik T wrote on Tue, 16 November 2010 09:06

masterhse wrote on Tue, 16 November 2010 14:07

http://stackoverflow.com/users/182080/paul



Interesting, because it leads us to:

http://www.paulericloeb.com/

where the following can be read:


Quote:

I am currently in school at Video Symphony studying Pro Tools Audio Engineering
I work as a Web Developer for USC Auxiliary Services http://aux.usc.edu/
I am the Co-Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Fresh Intermedia http://www.freshintermedia.com/
I am the President and Chief Executive Officer of No Ego Records http://www.noegorecords.com/
I am the Co-Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Megapony http://www.megapony.com/
I am a Music Producer and DJ http://www.loebmusic.com/
I graduated in May 2009 from the University of Southern California
Major: Business Administration
Concentration: Entrepreneurship
Minor: Music Industry



Truly puzzling stuff.


Regards
Patrik


Not all too puzzling really.

Note the featured website of http://www.freshintermedia.com/

He seems like a very enterprising lad.


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Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2010, 11:02:20 am »

masterhse wrote on Sun, 14 November 2010 12:06

An automated approach to mastering in any form shows complete ignorance of what the process is truly about.


Amen!

I still haven't clicked on the link, plenty of knuckleheads around pretending to do mastering.

Cheers, JT
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