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[Gold]

Taproot wrote on Tue, 26 October 2010 15:56

like modeling them after hate crime laws,

I can't believe hate crimes laws have stood up to Supreme Court challenges. It is the only time that a law is written differently for the same crime depending on what you are thinking. I don't like that one bit.

[Taproot]

Gold wrote on Thu, 28 October 2010 17:04

Taproot wrote on Tue, 26 October 2010 15:56 like modeling them after hate crime laws, I can't believe hate crimes laws have stood up to Supreme Court challenges. It is the only time that a law is written differently for the same crime depending on what you are thinking. I don't like that one bit.

Oh, they are complete horse shit, but that's another thread entirely.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal....", but only when it's convenient, for some.

[Samc]

Taproot wrote on Fri, 29 October 2010 04:17

Gold wrote on Thu, 28 October 2010 17:04 Taproot wrote on Tue, 26 October 2010 15:56 like modeling them after hate crime laws, I can't believe hate crimes laws have stood up to Supreme Court challenges. It is the only time that a law is written differently for the same crime depending on what you are thinking. I don't like that one bit. Oh, they are complete horse shit, but that's another thread entirely. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal....", but only when it's convenient, for some.

Although I agree that 'hate crime' laws are strange (at best), but we should not forget that the quoted statement above did not in fact refer to "all men" and certainly did not include women...  

[Gold]

I know the original impetus for these laws was to have a federal statute to prosecute crimes that local authorities were unwilling to prosecute. Like federal civil rights laws.

I think that there must be a better way. I'm all for judicial sentencing discretion. That's where 'motivation' belongs.