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nalbi

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Limiting HELP
« on: August 19, 2004, 03:27:22 pm »

Hello All!

I'm self-educated in mixing mastering.

I play on guitar generally.

I have some questions about
final mastering proces...or mixing i don't know....

about limiting

here some pictures from wave lab

1st one is Pro mix artist Dave Marton
Candian Guitarist
http://www.nalbi.hotbox.ru/good.jpg

2nd is my mix but my limiter always

http://www.nalbi.hotbox.ru/bad.jpg

CUT out peaks

this is hapen when i try to get some Loudness

-12 RMS or -11 rms

I push treshold on my limiter but my peaks
begin look ugly......
I'm have lack of knowledge of Ifundamental rules in

Exporting levels in my CUBASE SX , mixing levels in output bus

You know......

Here in Bulgaria There is no place where to study
basis of mixing and exporting and
mastering....

Sorry about this beginner questions

What I must to do

What is your masterin chain


Pls give me a principal base to start

what level for export in peak meter in Cubase

Then bus compression or .......I dont know

Im Sorry for that

regards with respect

SORRY FOR MY unlettered questions.




here some audio clips

http://nalbi.hotbox.ru/Dimitar_Demo2 .mp3 - my personal mix and track


http://nalbi.hotbox.ru/Dimitar_Demo1.mp3 - my personal mix and track to


http://nalbi.hotbox.ru/dave_marton.mp3 original track


Dimitar Nalbatov

http://www.nalbi.hotbox.ru
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OTR-jkl

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Re: Limiting HELP
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2004, 05:30:53 pm »

We might be able to help if you can tell us things like:

What limiter are you using?
Where did you place it in your chain?
What settings did you use?
What else was in your chain?

Any add'l info would be helpful...
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nalbi

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Re: Limiting HELP
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2004, 05:56:12 pm »

OTR-jkl wrote on Thu, 19 August 2004 22:30

We might be able to help if you can tell us things like:

What limiter are you using?
Where did you place it in your chain?
What settings did you use?
What else was in your chain?

Any add'l info would be helpful...


Ohhh My god thank you thank you..Smile



Now I start from here

In cubase export at   - 6 db


then in wavelab


first put in chain  
Hi - pass  filter 20 hz or 30 to take some dB's
Multiband C4
and L2
May be I miss something in mixing process.... Confused

But I fabricate that chain

I didnt learn  anything about rulez
and principles about Mastering chains

Again I'm self-educated.....


Thanks again for attention

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Re: Limiting HELP
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2004, 07:49:17 am »

It goes a lot deeper than what it 'looks like' or even what you are doing (ie: arrangement dictates the energy levels through out the spectrum), so without hearing it, there's not real way to help out...
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Re: Limiting HELP
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2004, 04:42:06 am »

nalbi wrote on Thu, 19 August 2004 15:27

Hello All!

I'm self-educated in mixing mastering.

I play on guitar generally.

I have some questions about
final mastering proces...or mixing i don't know....

about limiting

here some pictures from wave lab

1st one is Pro mix artist Dave Marton
Candian Guitarist


2nd is my mix but my limiter always


CUT out peaks

this is hapen when i try to get some Loudness

-12 RMS or -11 rms



Your RMS on demo 1 is -9.25dB on the left and -9.37dB on the right, from my calculations.

Quote:

I push treshold on my limiter but my peaks
begin look ugly......
I'm have lack of knowledge of Ifundamental rules in


Don't worry how the waveform looks, use your ears. Your peak is -.09 on the mp3. Using a 3 consecutive sample over setting you only have 10 possible samples clipping on L and 3 on R, these are possible clips not audible ones and par for the course on -09dB output when mp3'd. I zoomed into the hottest samples and can read most of each peak below the zero line. Even the mp3 encoding is not causing audible distortion, the samples move by too fast to be perceived as distortion and you don't have more than one of the 10 L and 3 R samples clipping, anywhere on the song at a time.  


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Exporting levels in my CUBASE SX , mixing levels in output bus

You know......

Here in Bulgaria There is no place where to study
basis of mixing and exporting and
mastering....

Sorry about this beginner questions

What I must to do

What is your masterin chain


Pls give me a principal base to start

what level for export in peak meter in Cubase

Then bus compression or .......I dont know

Im Sorry for that

regards with respect

SORRY FOR MY unlettered questions.




here some audio clips




Dimitar Nalbatov

http://www.nalbi.hotbox.ru




I'd check the accuracy of Wavelab, it shows the right side as being hotter when it's not, from my calculations, but hard to really know from your view angles which are way too compact. My suggestion is don't worry about the waveform. If you suspect clipping, zoom in to the clipped section and see how many samples hit above -0dB. You have the full view of the song in these Wavelab charts and the sides of your view pushed in to where the whole clip is only about 7 cm's wide. This may possibly be misleading you into thinking that there is clipping when there is none. People need to realize that editing by waveform is variably limited to pixel count and other display configuration factors, that are graphical and don't have anything to do with the audio itself.

As far as giving you compression starting points, which would boil down to preference, try this: Leave the C4 out of the chain and just L2 it. A/B it with the C4 on and off. If you can't get it to sound better with the C4 in the chain, leave it off. Don't think that you have to use multi-band compression everytime that you master, use your ears first and work on learning how to associate waveform view, with what's really happening with the audio. Different view angles wide/narrow/full-display-view/zoom-in/zoom-out, will all give you different impressions, if you don't setup the waveform view accurately.
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