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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2010, 05:52:38 pm »

Hey Jaakko - looking great. I'm curious - what sort of timelines did you get from the acoustician for the whole project? I.e. how much estimated time for foundation work, room construction, room tuning, etc etc?

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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2010, 07:32:58 pm »

Bonati wrote on Mon, 27 September 2010 07:52

Hey Jaakko - looking great. I'm curious - what sort of timelines did you get from the acoustician for the whole project? I.e. how much estimated time for foundation work, room construction, room tuning, etc etc?




Not Jaakko but I imagine these will be time and $$$ dependent.......if you have the resources and financing to back you almost anything is possible in a frightenly short amount of time.......we managed to build 2 rooms from scratch in 13 weeks.......we went flat stick 18 hrs a day 7 days a week........and had a very sympathetic bank manager.......

The planning and permits took us almost a year.....

We're in the early stages of planning and building a new room at a different location as part of an expansion right now and I envisage a longer planing and permit battle......

I swore black and blue I would never do this again.....but I guess I'm a glutton for punishment......
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2010, 06:20:16 am »

jackthebear wrote on Mon, 27 September 2010 02:32

Bonati wrote on Mon, 27 September 2010 07:52

Hey Jaakko - looking great. I'm curious - what sort of timelines did you get from the acoustician for the whole project?

Not Jaakko but I imagine these will be time and $$$ dependent.......if you have the resources and financing to back you almost anything is possible in a frightenly short amount of time


Josh & Tony,

I haven't spoke with the acoustician about timelines, but the construction workers' estimation is that this thing will be standing within about 6 weeks, and I don't really doubt it at all. From there, I will continue with the acoustics and measurements + tuning could perhaps take place in December.

I don't know if I'm too optimistic about the schedule of moving in in January, but it doesn't feel like that. The whole construction is surprisingly simple because it's a silent environment and there's no need to do soundproofing.

Of course this is yet to be seen. If the room magically turns out sounding like crap, it'll be tuned until it doesn't.

The concrete is coming in tomorrow. After that it'll dry for a couple of days, then the walls begin to rise.
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2010, 07:30:15 am »

Sounds good Jaakko and quite a reasonable goal to achieve not withstanding any unexpected hiccups along the way.

Being in environment which won't bring interference in or you doing so with anyone else is a great starting point.

Well you've made the all-important start brother......more power to you......
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2010, 10:21:29 am »

All the best with the new build Jaako! I'm in early planning stages for my new room as well. This one will be a complete build from the ground up. Designs are coming along just trying to work the local council angle to get the most space possible.  

Once things get approved & rolling along I'll post a construction thread too.

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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2010, 10:00:47 am »

Looks great, all the best on the build, on a serious note though, make sure there are no local planning applications for wind farms, I know this is a problem in Sweden right now, causing massive uproar and dividing what were countryside neighbours . (they are not quiet, have you ever heard a 120 meter tall / 18m blades wind tower at 50m, frankly scary ! )
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2010, 10:30:46 am »

It's time for the weekly update!

The foundations are done, and we've let it dry for the rest of the week because the nights have been quite cold. Once the basic frame is built and we'll be able to connect the 3-phase breaker box, the first thing to do is to connect the floor heating system and use it to dry up the concrete for good.

http://www.virtalahde.com/sisaankaynti_valettu.jpg
..This is how the entrance looks like now.

http://www.virtalahde.com/kynnys_valettu.jpg
..That missing piece between the two blocks of concrete will be done manually.

http://www.virtalahde.com/lattia_valettu_etupaa.jpg
..The front, those tubes are for cabling and there's also a hidden cableway to the machine room (more like a closet!) running under the floor.

http://www.virtalahde.com/lattia_valettu_takapaa.jpg
..The back. See that old wooden wall? We've been going forward and backward in ideas whether to keep it or not, but right now it looks like we'll be able to keep it. The wall will be the back wall of those small shelves on the left & right to the triangular bass trap/diffuser. I think it's going to look and feel excellent once cleaned up.

http://www.virtalahde.com/laitehuone_kaapeliputket.jpg
..The machine room to-be. Lots of floor heating cabling there.

http://www.virtalahde.com/maakaapeli_raudoitus.jpg
.."That's not a ground wire.. THIS is a ground wire."

http://www.virtalahde.com/ylinen_siivottu.jpg
..Wait, where did all that hay go?

http://www.virtalahde.com/poltto_1.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/poltto_2.jpg
..The fire department didn't show up, even if we did a pretty good effort in smoking the whole neighborhood. The yard looks pretty ugly after all that landscaping, but once we've evened all that ash around and seeded in a new lawn, it's gonna be all green again.

The work with the actual frame starts tomorrow, and I'm really excited to see an actual structure build up.
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2010, 11:39:49 am »

I'm  glad you decided to use that wood wall, I really dig it.


If you were to try to make that happen in a "new build"  $$$$$$$$$$
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2010, 09:51:00 am »

Time for an update!

What can I say, these boys are quick. The site already looks completely different, and at the early point of building the structure, there is a LOT of measurement going on, which can be considered as "slow" work. Phew.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_01_kynnys_valmis1.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_01_kynnys_valmis2.jpg
..The missing piece of concrete is now done.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_02_ovi_levytys1.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_02_ovi_levytys2.jpg
..The inside now looks like this. The brown stuff on the old walls is for stopping the wind blowing inside the building and also for keeping any residual water & snow leaking through the old wall. The material has been used in Finnish building for decades, and it's just about as optimum as it gets for the purpose.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_03_palkki1.jpg
..Ok, so what's this piece standing here for?

http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_03_palkki2.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_03_palkki3.jpg
..It supports the new, fat top bar from the left side of the room. My maximum ceiling height is going to be only a little lower than this piece of wood here.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_03_palkki4.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_03_palkki5.jpg
..It also supports the old roof, albeit very slightly. That old piece of log is a little bent, but if it decides to bend more, the new structure will hold it with ease.
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2010, 09:52:27 am »

http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_06_ylh1.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_06_ylh2.jpg
..Did I already tell you how much I love this shape, with the upgoing roof and the max ceiling height? I think it's going to be great!

It's funny to compare the old, crummy structure against the new one. Depending on how you look, either one always looks like it's completely out of whack. Maintaining the specified inner dimensions was actually pretty tricky because the old structure for sure wasn't straight at all angles. But my carpenters made it work.

Just like mastering engineer's are professionals, carpenters are too. The skills they have are absolutely invaluable.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_07_etus0.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_07_etus1.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_07_etus2.jpg
..Some pics of the front wall construction. The all-important ventilation space can be seen between the wind stopping material and the frame/insulation.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_08_bwp.jpg
..Wasn't this thing in The Blair Witch Project?

http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_04_sivuseina1.jpg
..The right wall is building up.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_05_hirsi1.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_05_hirsi2.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1110_05_hirsi3.jpg
..And a couple of shots of how the joint between the old and new wall is coming together. The old wall can be thought of two "windows" punched the new wall. They will serve as the back of some shelves, and as long as everything is properly insulated from all of the edges, things are going to be fine.

That's it for this week!
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2010, 10:24:18 am »

Looking good!
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2010, 01:28:33 pm »

Love those ancient timbers, and the fact that you chose a wood frame, somehow fitting.

Watching with vicarious enthusiasm... JT
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2010, 03:29:23 pm »

Well, things are progressing fast, and I was extremely delighted to see the shape of the room building up as the basic frame is pretty much done.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_ovelta1.jpg
..The place of the door is locked in.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_sivuprof_oikea2.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_sivuprof_vasen1.jpg
..The shape of the rising roof can now be clearly seen.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_etupaa1.jpg
..I believe the internal acoustic wall is going to go like that. The amount of wool behind the wall gives me chills.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_takanurkka_vasen1.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_sivuprof_oikea1.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_katto1.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_katto2.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_katto3.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_taitos_lahelta1.jpg
..It's all built from strong beams of wood. This construction truly is a building inside of a building. Nothing else will do because it might get pretty cold during the winter, so no thin walls are accepted.
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #58 on: October 16, 2010, 03:32:33 pm »

http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_ovi_ylhaalta1.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_etupaa_ylhaalta2.jpg
..I'm starting to feel the height here!

http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_ylapohja1.jpg
http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_ylapohja2.jpg
..I wonder if all this gives me bats in the attic?

http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_sivuseina_palkki_vasen.jpg
..That horizontal beam in the middle of the wall is at about my height, and I'm 184cm tall. I know the height doesn't show from the pictures, but I was *really* surprised how the internal height of 3,5 metres at the highest spot felt like. I just love it.

The clouds are of course dropping the height a little, but it's still over 3 metres, I think.

I'm thinking of the light here, and I want a lot. If I'd have a lot daylight-like light above the ceiling clouds, I bet it'd feel like I've got the sun shining down my neck while I'm working.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_takaseina1.jpg
..That's about the width of the upcoming back shelf, I believe.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_takaseina_rako1.jpg ..The plan has changed a little in that we won't be extending the old wall up, but building a new wall in front and just leave the wanted spots of the old wall visible (with necessary insulation around all the edges).

This does shorten the room a little, but this should only affect the exact listening spot.

http://www.virtalahde.com/1610_hirsi1.jpg
..Some people post pictures of gear.

I think old timber is far more interesting.




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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2010, 04:52:54 pm »

Nice that the sub-ceiling beam abuts the main log. Good idea for later.
Keeping some old wall is a decent compromise and retains a little original surface which seems diffusive anyway. So nice! Framing shows shape as you say. Are the Finnish Finish Carpenters the same crew?
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