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Skullsessions

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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2010, 03:19:45 PM »

I'd like to know if anyone knows anything further that has happened on this front....

http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentI D=16075

It appears that in 2001 the 9th Circuit said this form of "speech" was cool constitutionally.

And apparently, the US Supreme Court agreed.

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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2010, 04:12:43 PM »

Here's one take on it:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-22/mi ley-cyrus-perez-hilton-twitter-and-underage-sexuality/?cid=s exybeast:mainpromo1

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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2010, 11:12:56 AM »

Hmmm...

I looked into some of the links provided in this thread, including the articles and news stories about 'sexting'; didn't catch the photoshopped pic, thou.

Anyway, about what's being seen as child pornography:

1- US courts have prosecuted youngsters who take 'dirty' pics of themselves and send them to cell phones;
2- The recipients have been prosecuted too;

3- an underage person can be prosecuted as a 'promoter of child pornography' if he/she does a public display of inappropriate anatomic parts and/or lewd conduct unfitting for a minor;

4- The same goes for anyone who records the above and/or redistributes it.

That said...

Then the people who promoted, produced, broadcasted and shown themselves doing so in shows are liable to prosecution too, and that includes underage artists who attempt to project a sexy, grown up, 'untamed' image of themselves in skimpy attire that allows for the sighting of their private parts while performing.

Makes me remember a local underage artist that used to perform wearing mid-thigh-length black Lycra shorts under her stage clothing precisely to avoid any misunderstandings about hers or the producer's stance on such matters.

It is one thing to coerce/convince a minor do inappropriate things (a hideous crime); a willing 17 year old participant is a harder shot, specially if taken into account that quite a number of US states have a legal age-of-consent below 18.

It is hard to balance in this matter the legal provisions with common sense; it is no secret that sex is not something that is unknown and not understood by the majority of people above the age of 16 in the USA nowadays, else we wouldn't have so many songs, TV soaps and so forth that basically center around sex...  take as example the new edition of 90210, in which highschoolers are openly shown using sex as a tool to fulfill their wretched designs and songs sung by minors telling to 'hit me one more time' and so forth.

The whole issue is IMO too focused on pictures...  so it is OK for an underage singer to perform a song in which she begs her ex-partner to come back for more sex? Isn't that inappropriate?

Would it be OK for an underage person to blog about his/her sexual encounters as long as there are no pictures shown?
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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2010, 01:27:16 PM »

Samc wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 14:35

ktownson wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 18:35

Sorry, that's a technicality. If you are calling attention to and telling people where to find child pornography, real or fictionalized, you are a pornographer.  

I guess the truth doesn't matter...


Whose truth? Yours, mine or Perez's? The only thing I see unarguable is that he exploited Miley Cyrus for his own gain. Would it be any different if the teen wasn't famous?

I think his actions are illegal, and I hope someone in law enforcement does too. If it's not, it sure should be. Again, IMO.


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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2010, 02:29:25 PM »

In what way do you see that he exploited her for gain? It was a Twitter message, no $$$ was involved. Not defending his action, just curious.
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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2010, 02:45:16 PM »

Can we move this to the Saloon?
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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2010, 03:01:13 PM »

the brill bedroom wrote on Thu, 24 June 2010 13:29

In what way do you see that he exploited her for gain? It was a Twitter message, no $$$ was involved. Not defending his action, just curious.


The more traffic he draws to his website, the more he can charge for advertising.
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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2010, 04:35:31 PM »

JohnLisiecki wrote on Thu, 24 June 2010 14:45

Can we move this to the Saloon?


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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2010, 04:57:36 PM »

the brill bedroom wrote on Thu, 24 June 2010 14:29

In what way do you see that he exploited her for gain? It was a Twitter message, no $$$ was involved. Not defending his action, just curious.

To the moderators.

I apologize for dropping this bomb in the middle of our nice audio forum, but I think this issue is every bit as important to the music industry as who was the best bass player of the 70's.

Corin, you didn't just ask this question with a straight face did you? C'mon man. EVERYTHING PH does is for profit. Sleazy, "Ohh I got some on my shoes, how do I get it off?", profit. When this story broke, I heard about it and tried to find out more, but it was almost IMPOSSIBLE to learn more without going to HIS site! Now that is PERFECT marketing.

OK, disclaimer. Years ago, I worked with a couple of kids who ended up be pretty big stars in the hip hop world. These kids' father ran them up and down the East Coast, one step ahead of child services in three states, just to keep them constantly working. The toll on them was extreme. Everyone thought they were having a great time, but they were suffering. Now my 15 year old son, who is quite good, wants a career as a singer/songwriter. I have seen the pain and am trying to deal with future issues before he feels the pain. No matter her new image, I still know that Miley is a kid and needs protection.

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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2010, 12:10:02 AM »

I've despised that fat pusbag ever since he got a Miss USA contestant canned because he asked for her opinion on a political issue and he didn't like the answer.

I have nothing against gays, but since when is a man who DOESN'T LIKE WOMEN qualified to judge a beauty pageant? Why would he even want to?

Perez Hilton and all other tabloid sleazebags who make a living violating other people's privacy should be shut down and thrown in prison. Just because someone is famous doesn't mean he loses his basic human rights.

Considering the way fame leads people into a life of debauchery, I'm sure we'll get an authentic crotch shot of Miley soon enough.  Rolling Eyes
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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2010, 12:53:29 AM »

Last one out, turn off the lights, OK?
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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2010, 10:51:07 AM »

Bill Mueller wrote on Thu, 24 June 2010 14:57

I still know that Miley is a kid and needs protection.



Which makes me ask - where the hell are her parents in all this??

There is no amount of money that would cause me to allow my underage daughter to prostitute herself in front of the world.
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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2010, 02:13:03 PM »

RSettee wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 00:56

 coattail riders. Not only is Perez Hilton a wannabe of an actual star, he's a wannabe of an actual legitimate hanger on. The guy makes Pauly Shore look like a megastar with a vibrant career.



The guy apparently made his 'name' taking celeb photos from other websites & making obscene drawings on them and / or adding demeaning text.

On another note - teenagers getting serious criminal charges for making nude pics of themselves, 'sexting' and facing incredibly detrimental, life trajectory-torpedoing 'registered sex offender' status for the rest of their lives, surely seems an unintended consequence of what lawmakers originally intended.

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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2010, 02:35:35 PM »


Daniel Farris wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 13:09



... But on the other hand, one has to question the parenting of any adults who let their children play in the NBA.

Just because your kid wants to be an astronaut, you don't drop them off at NASA when they turn 12.

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That's because dropping the kid off at NASA doesn't provide the same bonanza.

When it comes to the entertainment world (sports or pop music or movies), there is possibility that if the money is right, say goodbye to normal childhood, which includes learning anything that resembles sense of proportion, "right and wrong," a notion of there being a time and place for some behavior vs. another, etc.

This happens sometimes even when the payoff is not quite as big, as in Olympic medal winning 13-15 yr. old girl gymasts and figure skaters (who have trained since age 3). Some parents will do anything.


But it feels nice to be wanted, whatever age one is.


The sector of society that wants more sports and more sex have always been well fed, but TV and internet have greatly amplified  things in such way that it gets ever more addiction-like.




We need more sex and sports, more often, and this pesky age restriction and consideration for childhood stuff is not going to get in our way.

Part and parcel of instant gratification. If there is talent displayed, we want to be entertained by it now, forget waiting on them to complete their growing process and human development first.

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Re: Would someone PLEASE arrest Perez Hilton?
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2010, 03:13:35 PM »

Edvaard wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 13:35


We need more sex and sports, more often, and this pesky age restriction and consideration for childhood stuff is not going to get in our way.



Good point. Who didn't have the neighborhood girl asking them to drop their drawers and compare and touch? Mine was at age 5 or 6, I think. We got caught, scolded, yet we didn't stop sneaking around in the garage or....
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