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[Daniel Farris]

bblackwood wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 17:07

I'm certain my experiences are limited compared to some of you, but I would suggest that those who wish to really know what the TP gatherings are about should go to one, not rely on someone else to snap photos and/or report on what they saw and heard.

For what it's worth, I did go to a tea party in Alhambra and take it all in... for several hours.

And by the way, THIS guy is not one of the nutcases. He's one of the organizers of the tea party, and owner/admin of teaparty.org:



DF

[Fenris Wulf]

Barry Hufker wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 12:36

rural electrification

Wasn't that one of Stalin's methods for slaughtering peasants?  

[Bill_Urick]

Daniel,

Thanks for posting the photo.
If accurate it is very disturbing.

I poked around and found the dude's email address,
sent him the pic as an attachment and asked if it's legit.

I'll let you know what he says if I hear from him.

Although clearly the target of his criticism is Congress, it speaks volumes about him that he would word his message in that way.

[Jay Kadis]

Fenris Wulf wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 17:30

Barry Hufker wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 12:36 rural electrification Wasn't that one of Stalin's methods for slaughtering peasants?

Or Edison's?

http://inventors.about.com/od/hstartinventions/a/Electric_Ch air.htm

[thinman]

Daniel Farris wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 18:41

I'll say this about all the Bush signs: Sure, there's lunacy and stupidity on both sides. Conceded. Absolutely. Where I see a difference is that the left tended to marginalize those moonbats. Every sensible liberal I know rolled their eyes in embarrassment every time Cindy Sheehan or Code Pink made the national headlines. Those shrill, tone deaf messages polled very poorly with the left. On the other side, it seems the "mainstream" right has no problem whatsoever with the social Darwinism / "poverty is a character flaw" / "Obama is a Kenyan socialist Hitler" message of the tea party. DF

Daniel, to me, I would say just the opposite. I haven't seen anybody on the left (until you, just now) seeking to remove the spotlight from the moonbats. I am not a Republican or tea party member myself, just want my freedom; but, respectfully, can you cite sources where tea party speeches said any of what you claim? What you stated sounds like characterizations from already biased reporters. I am aware of one video where Michelle Obama says her husband is a Kenyan. Is that what you are thinking of?

Obama's policies of nationalizing sectors of what is supposed to be a free market economy, his redistribution of wealth, his quoting Mao that "we have a righteous wind at our back", his appointment of communist czars are all a matter of record. It doesn't seem like a leap to me to say that he is a socialist. He doesn't like our constitution because it limits what the government can do (and that is exactly what is was created to do, restrain the government); again a matter of record. He is on record as intending to "fundamentally transform America", not improve it, not make it better, but fundamentally change it. Given that, please tell me why it seems so ridiculous to you that many people would believe Obama is a socialist.

How about you? Are you a proponent of:
1. individual liberty and a free market
2. socialism with government control of the economy
3. all out marxism
4. anarchy
5. (define it if I left it out)

I know it won't happen, but, I'd like to see some take an actual stand and openly state precisely what system of government you want for America? Just askin'.

I await your ridicule, scorn, derision, impunity of my intelligence and/or geographic location, my lack of ability to perceive nuance, etc., etc., etc. whatever...

[Fenris Wulf]

Bill_Urick wrote on Thu, 03 June 2010 01:51

Although clearly the target of his criticism is Congress, it speaks volumes about him that he would word his message in that way.

It doesn't speak anything. John Lennon had a song entitled "Woman is the Nigger of the World." Same sentiment, right?

In any case, this guy is not a "tea party founder," he was kicked out of the event at which the picture was taken, and he has been disavowed by the Houston Tea Party.

The sign, complete with misspelling, is so patently silly that it makes me suspect the guy is a plant.

Meanwhile, right here at the University of California, "moderate" Muslim groups are using student fees to sponsor speakers who openly call for the genocide of the Jews, and the Left responds with a big yawn.

[Daniel Farris]

If it looks doctored, the important thing to know is that the bottom part of the sign is reversible. It says "slave" on one side and "niggar" on the other.

If you look carefully, you can see the tape at the top center of the reversible portion.

The fact that it's reversible at all (with one side being a slightly less offensive version of the other) indicates that he knows full well how offensive his sign is.

If you look around, you can find other photos where the sign says "slave." In those photos, you can still see that it's a reversible cut-out.

So if he responds by saying, "No... my sign said slave," don't be surprised.

DF

[bblackwood]

Daniel Farris wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 19:20

bblackwood wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 17:07 I'm certain my experiences are limited compared to some of you, but I would suggest that those who wish to really know what the TP gatherings are about should go to one, not rely on someone else to snap photos and/or report on what they saw and heard. For what it's worth, I did go to a tea party in Alhambra and take it all in... for several hours. And by the way, THIS guy is not one of the nutcases. He's one of the organizers of the tea party, and owner/admin of teaparty.org:

So, are we to assume this was typical of what you witnessed at the TP even you attended? If so, I'm pretty surprised, as again, my experiences with those who attended the TP's (including the one I attended out of curiosity) are completely different.

I'm assuming this wasn't an isolated incident at the party you attended, so what other things did you see/hear that were similar? Was this a small minority or a majority of what you witnessed at said party?

Sorry for the twenty questions, I'm just surprised that someone that attended a TP event feels that picture represents what they are about. I'll again admit I've only been to one and don't consider myself part of the TP, but my experience was very different than yours, apparently.

[thinman]

Fenris Wulf wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 19:57

Bill_Urick wrote on Thu, 03 June 2010 01:51 Although clearly the target of his criticism is Congress, it speaks volumes about him that he would word his message in that way. It doesn't speak anything. John Lennon had a song entitled "Woman is the Nigger of the World." Same sentiment, right? In any case, this guy is not a "tea party founder," he was kicked out of the event at which the picture was taken, and he has been disavowed by the Houston Tea Party. The sign, complete with misspelling, is so patently silly that it makes me suspect the guy is a plant. Meanwhile, right here at the University of California, "moderate" Muslim groups are using student fees to sponsor speakers who openly call for the genocide of the Jews, and the Left responds with a big yawn.

Sadly, the left does more than yawn:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-conf idential/ayers-dohrn-helped-organize-flotilla-group-95435639 .html

[Daniel Farris]

thinman wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 17:54

Obama's policies of nationalizing sectors of what is supposed to be a free market economy,

I don't think bailouts (controversial as they rightly are) can be fairly characterized as "nationalizing" anything, given that a great deal of the bailout money has been paid back at a profit to the taxpayer, with the rest coming soon.

You might not know what nationalization is.

If you hate the bailouts, say you hate the bailouts, but to call them nationalization is hyperbole at best.

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his redistribution of wealth,

Individual tax rates are lower than they have been in 20 years.

If you're arguing for a regressive tax system, well, we've never ever had one in American history, so I think you're the one that needs to defend your extremist ideas. Redistribution of wealth has been a fundamental part of our tax system since its inception. The right is looking at a much needed tax reduction for the middle class, and a return of tax rates for the rich to what they were under Clinton (an additional 3%) as socialism and radical redistribution of wealth. That seems like a tough argument to make.

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It doesn't seem like a leap to me to say that he is a socialist.

That says a lot about you.

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He doesn't like our constitution

This is an enormous leap that I doubt you could support with anything but conjecture.

Where is the mound of constitutional amendments he's proposing?

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How about you? Are you a proponent of: 1. individual liberty and a free market 2. socialism with government control of the economy 3. all out marxism 4. anarchy 5. (define it if I left it out)

I'm in favor of individual liberty and a well regulated free market.

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I await your ridicule, scorn, derision, impunity of my intelligence and/or geographic location, my lack of ability to perceive nuance, etc., etc., etc. whatever...

Way to show you're open minded. This seems like code for "you're wasting your time with me."

DF

[Daniel Farris]

bblackwood wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 18:11

but my experience was very different than yours, apparently.

That picture wasn't taken at the tea party I attended, and I didn't say what my experience was like. But I will.

I saw lots of Hitler mustaches painted on Obama. I saw lots of retirees on Medicare complaining about healthcare reform. I heard lots of references to death panels. When a congressman claimed to have read the healthcare bill, I heard a woman claim that he was a liar, and this was fundamentally impossible because it was a thousand pages. I heard a bunch of people whose taxes got lower complaining about how high their taxes are.

Not (consciously) racist. But definitely ill-informed and idiotic.

DF

[Barry Hufker]

What form of government am I for?  One that respects its citizens, governs fairly (with all paying a fair portion for tax), with health benefits for all, with free basic education for all, with unemployment insurance, with beneficial regulatory standards for all industries, with proper boundaries between church and state and a government that spends more money sheltering the homeless and feeding the hungry than it does arming its military.

I'll leave it to you to put a name on that system.

Barry

Just for the record in response to Bill's "Christian" comment earlier.  I am a Born Again Christian who thinks his conservative brothers and sisters are modern day Pharisees and Sadducees.

[Hallams]

Barry Hufker wrote on Thu, 03 June 2010 12:15

What form of government am I for?  One that respects its citizens, governs fairly (with all paying a fair portion for tax), with health benefits for all, with free basic education for all, with unemployment insurance, with beneficial regulatory standards for all industries, with proper boundaries between church and state and a government that spends more money sheltering the homeless and feeding the hungry than it does arming its military. I'll leave it to you to put a name on that system. Barry Just for the record in response to Bill's "Christian" comment earlier.  I am a Born Again Christian who thinks his conservative brothers and sisters are modern day Pharisees and Sadducees.

 Hey Barry, consider yourself invited to Australia......we don't meet all the above criteria but we come close on a few particulars  
Perhaps we could go for a surf?

[Hallams]

.... Hey Bill, your welcome too......I'll have the cuppa...you can have the tea bag ?

[Bill_Urick]

Barry, my comment was to illustrate that one (or several) nuts with disgraceful signs, should not condemn every member of a group that the nut tries to associate himself with. Also that the woman in the picture had nothing to associate her with the TP but a shirt that...you get the point.

This is very interesting and entertaining but please let's ease up on the vitriol.

Not directed at you Barry.

Still friends?

I hope so.