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You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« on: April 27, 2010, 08:09:43 AM »

Neither here nor there...but...

I was watching "You Don't Know Jack" on cable last night, and there was a scene where Dr. Jack Kavorkian was being interviewed on a radio program.  In the background, I was somewhat astonished to see a rack full of Daking gear.

2 of the FET Compressors.
2 of the Mic Pre EQ's.
1 of the Mic Pre IV units.

And I thought....that can't be historically accurate...can it?

The interview had to be early to mid 1990's, so that would probably have to put this radio station on the Daking train VERY early, no?  And I'm not even sure all of those units were in production yet.

It just gave me a chuckle.

Now...there are other pieces of gear plainly visible in that rack that I'm not familiar with.  I wonder if others of you have seen that, and if any of those pieces are in the wrong decade.
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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2010, 02:29:38 AM »

I'm gonna say the first Daking stuff I saw was in the mid nineties.


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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2010, 08:22:36 AM »

I'm not sure if this is a fiction movie, or what...?

But if it is, then it can be in NO way as bad as '24-hour party people', where they had Martin Hannett working on an Otari MTR-90 and an Amek/Langley Recall... back in the 1970's.

-There were DOZENS of others; the absolute lack of historical accuracy was consistent. -I just accepted that only geekish fools such as I would ever notice.

Keith

PS: I loved Andy Sirkin's Hannett.
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MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36

I have the feeling that I have more experience in my little finger than you do in your whole body about audio electronics..

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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2010, 11:21:46 AM »

ssltech wrote on Wed, 28 April 2010 07:22


But if it is, then it can be in NO way as bad as '24-hour party people', where they had Martin Hannett working on an Otari MTR-90 and an Amek/Langley Recall... back in the 1970's.



You expected them to rebuild Strawberry for one scene?  The Hacienda reconstruction was pretty amazing though.
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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2010, 11:50:16 AM »

Again, a must see:

Telstar, The Joe Meek Story

http://www.telstarthemovie.co.uk/
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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2010, 12:06:25 PM »

I didn't expect them to rebuild strawberry, but... the anachronisms were a bit too much for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGA6rmsnDkQ

Why not replace Tony Wilson's Peugeot 504 with a 2006 Ford Focus? Wink

Keith
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MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36

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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2010, 08:03:05 PM »

I recently saw a re-run of the TV show "The Patridge Family" and in this particular episode (from 1970) they were in "the studio" cutting a record.. in the rack next to the engineer were three UA 1176 bluestripes and four Pultecs...

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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2010, 09:05:43 PM »


I knew there was a reason for that show being so popular.

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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2010, 01:25:15 PM »

Skullsessions wrote on Tue, 27 April 2010 07:09

Neither here nor there...but...

I was watching "You Don't Know Jack" on cable last night, and there was a scene where Dr. Jack Kavorkian was being interviewed on a radio program.  In the background, I was somewhat astonished to see a rack full of Daking gear.

2 of the FET Compressors.
2 of the Mic Pre EQ's.
1 of the Mic Pre IV units.

And I thought....that can't be historically accurate...can it?




No.  It's not historically accurate (there were a couple of KRK Rokits too).
Just a made-for-tv movie.
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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2010, 09:27:22 AM »

compasspnt wrote on Fri, 30 April 2010 11:50

Again, a must see:

Telstar, The Joe Meek Story

http://www.telstarthemovie.co.uk/




I agree Terry, I was fortunate enough to have seen it in the theatre at a local film festival and although it was heavy on "story" and light on the technical aspects some may crave I thought it was an amazing indy film.

Twas truly an eye opener on how the biz has and continues to work.
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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2010, 11:08:08 AM »


"A gate is something that opens and closes."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI-w7LjSNi4
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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2010, 03:54:42 PM »

All I did was make a few records...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bTjJ0maPx4

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MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36

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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2010, 09:33:35 PM »

Here's a band Hannett didn't record at Strawberry:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb4k2LYV-MU&feature=relat ed

PS. Ever catch that Jackson 5 biopic that airs on VH1? It shows a portrayal of the session for "I'll Be There," (1970) which they are recording on a Studer 800.
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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2010, 08:45:56 AM »

ssltech wrote on Mon, 03 May 2010 15:54

All I did was make a few records...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bTjJ0maPx4

Keef



YIKES!

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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2010, 06:54:49 PM »

ssltech wrote on Mon, 03 May 2010 21:54

All I did was make a few records...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bTjJ0maPx4

Keef


So sad - just look at the gaps in what started out as a stunning CV.

The sonic atmosphere on 'Unknown Pleasures'is so unique.




Albums produced

   * Belt & Braces Road Show Band, Belt & Braces Road Show Band 1975
   * Pete Farrow, Who Says There's No Beach In Stockport? 1977 issued on cd by Ozit Morpheus
   * John Cooper Clarke, Disguise in Love 1978
   * The Durutti Column, The Return of the Durutti Column 1979
   * Joy Division, Unknown Pleasures 1979
   * Pauline Murray And The Invisible Girls, Pauline Murray And The Invisible Girls 1979
   * Basement 5,1965-1980 1980
   * John Cooper Clarke, Snap, Crackle & Bop 1980
   * Joy Division, Closer 1980
   * Magazine, The Correct Use of Soap 1980
   * The Psychedelic Furs, The Psychedelic Furs 1980 (songs "Susan's Strange" and "Soap Commercial")
   * A Certain Ratio, To Each... 1981
   * Joy Division, Still 1981
   * Magazine, Magic, Murder & the Weather (mixed) 1981
   * New Order, Movement 1981
   * Section 25, Always Now 1981
   * John Cooper Clarke, Zip Style Method 1982
   * The Names, Swimming[disambiguation needed] 1982
   * Armande Alta
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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2010, 10:08:17 PM »

Hannett was a 'distinct' personality. Despite hearing so much about him, I never engineered for him until a couple of years before his death.

The first time was just bizarre. -I had NO idea what to expect...

Sparing some of the gory details, suffice to say that at about 7PM he dropped off the muiltitracks, and then disappeared for a few hours for a few drinks at the local pub.

When he returned, he said "Right then... -Let me hear what you've done with it."

I pressed play while he sat on the bench seat behind me. About a third of the way through I started to hear some odd noises which I didn't recall putting in the mix... they were cacophonous and arhythmic. -I couldn't tell where they were coming from, and didn't want to solo anything or stop the tape and interrupt his listening.

When I turned around to see if his face gave a clue as to what he thought of the mix... I saw what the noise was. -He was snoring quietly.

-So I stopped the playback, and thought about what to do.

eventually, I decided to carry on tweaking, and wait for him to wake up.

After a couple of hours I was largely through with everything, and that was when I heard a sudden uncomfortable stirring behind me. -Martin bundled around for a couple of seconds, then leapt to his feet, thrust a defiant finger in the air and announced "Fly this control room to Cuba!" ...-and then promptly fell back asleep.

Another couple of hours went by, during which I re-checked the machine alignment, readied the 2-track, had a sandwich, listened to the mix a couple more times, and generally waited for direction. (without getting specific, I wasn't expecting him to wake up and be lively any time soon.)

He eventually woke up, definitely more refreshed this time, and announced that he wanted to hear what I'd done.

I offered him some coffee, and pressed play, then went to fetch a cup for him. When I got back, he reached over, pressed 'stop' and announced that it was utter crap. -He pulled all the faders down (but left everything else alone) and wanted to re-balance afresh. -We got as far as the snare drum when he asked "where are the Marshall time modulators?"

I pointed to the late model MTM in our rack, and asked if he wanted me to patch it in...

He looked slightly baffled, got up, went to inspect the unit, and said "this isn't mine... -where are mine?" -I was a little puzzled, but then he disappeared to the reception lobby, reappeared with a pair of older MTMs under his arm, and apologized profusely for forgetting to give them to me when he arrived.

"THIS is why it was sounding so f#*!ing crap" he announced excitedly. I patched them in, and he sent the snare to both, having first randomly set the controls. "Pan 'em wide" was his only instruction to me.

"Thaaaaaat's better!" he declared as a wild, random, stereo-mismatched, pitch-swinging "boi-oi-oi-oiinnng!!!" accompanied each snare stroke.

Within twenty minutes, after pushing up the faders one more time, we printed the mix.

Bizarre.

I'd never worked with such an 'out of it' guy. -Don't think I have since, either.

Martin did indeed pull a gun on Tony Wilson. That (I think) was about the time of the 'gap' in his resume.

That movie was such a sickening beatification of Tony Wilson that I couldn't take it seriously. I never really liked Tony's self-serving vanity, and in my opinion the film re-painted far too many of his errors -foolish or otherwise- as intentionally quixotic; as though he understood what he was doing and always planned things that way. -Not at all so in real life, I'm afraid. but if people understand that, then it's amusing enough entertainment.

I did work with him a few more times before his death, and -eventually- became quite relaxed around him. One time I made some now-forgotten -but definitely 'surreal' wise crack, and noticed his shoulders shaking under that mop of curly hair... Then he turned, smiling to me and said:

"That's why I like you so much, Andrews... You're just as f#*!ing stupid as me!!!"

That's the Martin I'd rather remember. -He was a smart, funny guy. He definitely had his demons though, and might also have been someone who needed to be continuously challenged. He seemed to loathe and despise boredom, and gave every impression of either living for an experimental challenge, or needing to dull the sense of boredom... though that's just my view.

Fascinating bloke. -the dark, menacing, gloomy emptiness of some of his early work, stuff like John Cooper Clarke's backing music still makes me shiver...lord, I'd LOVE to have worked on something like that.

Keith
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MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36

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Re: You Don't Know Jack...and Daking?
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2010, 12:19:42 PM »

Wow - thanks a lot for posting the account Keith,

Incredible.

Fly this control room to Cuba!

Sounds like quite the truly bizarre experience!
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2010, 10:11:35 PM »

It was completely surreal and distinctly unnerving.

-Mind you, when I warmed to him on later sessions, I'd mock the Mancunian accent and tell him "I can't do a thing without the Maaaaaaarshals!" and whenever I subsequently sent the snare to them, I'd announce that the aux send in question 'sent things to "planet Hannett"'.

It gave him a chuckle... me too, in fact.

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MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36

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On the edge of madness
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2010, 06:18:07 AM »


Well - at least he maintained a sense of humour through it all.

Sounds like another one of those figures where the lines between madness, creativity & genius were blurred.

Sad that substances in combination with whatever character traits probably played a role in derailing his career - at least that's how I'd interpret going from such stellar to achievements to more of an on pause mode, seeing his CV.

Anyway - the music & recordings live on
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