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Dave Davis

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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2010, 09:00:08 am »

 Probably the right answer.  RX2 Advanced does a bunch of things Sonnox doesn't.  The pitch/time transpo, adaptive de-noising and new selection options are terrific and unique.  It's also great to see DC offset detect/fix and azimuth correction becoming a more common forensic tool in both apps and specialized plugs like RX.

RX's app is a great environment for forensic work, in many respects more useful than WL simply due to focus.  The new plug-processing capabilities and improved batch processor make production de-noising very efficient, on top of the amazing capabilities offered.  I really like working in the RX daw-app a lot.  Worth the price of admission.  I don't see WL replacing it over here... especially if you can insert WL's Sonnox plugs in an RX rack! Wink
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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2011, 06:59:02 am »

I still have not yet migrated to V7 as yet (old machine still doing the job very nicely) However I have found a good DVD tutorial on Wavelab7.

http://www.musiclab.com.au/product-info/books-dvds/tutorial- dvds/ask-video-wavelab-7-tutorial-dvd

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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #62 on: February 07, 2011, 10:38:51 am »

SafeandSound wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 05:59

However I have found a good DVD tutorial on Wavelab7.


Apparently you can download it over here for cheaper:

https://www.askvideo.com/product_info.php?products_id=278

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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #63 on: February 07, 2011, 02:59:34 pm »

Yes, Time and Space, distribute it in UK for a
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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2011, 06:05:48 pm »

Just getting up and going with WL7 on a new mac pro. I'm liking it so far but there's a lot of new stuff to learn. Plus they did weird little things like changing the default position of the master section to the left side instead of the right. Familiar yet strange.
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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2011, 09:09:11 am »

After struggling with it for a few months, WL7's striking out as a "main axe", and while I'm not sure it will ever be more than a useful teaching tool and tweaker for me, I have hope.

As a part-time teacher I learn new DAWs and apps all the time, so the intimidating learning curve wasn't too daunting. I was demoing it as an alternative to Adobe Audition for a class I'm teaching now. It failed the demo, partly because the edu version costs a bit more than I want students to spend (essentially the same price as PT, which is an industry standard we must respect in higher ed), but mostly because it's gui is an explosion of windows, some intimately connected, some entirely disconnected, with no easy way to tell which is which. Changing settings in the master section can result in changes on files AND montages, or neither, depending on whether the engineer's paying attention.

Another problem is terminology. They use their own. Exports aren't exports or bounces, but renders. Saves may or may not render, depending where you happen to be in the app (files may or may not render with save command, depending on settings; montages NEVER render on save, only on render). This is a deal breaker for educational uses; you cannot ask students to learn a unique set of terms just to use a DAW! Adobe Audition Mac beta version is far better in this regard, and of course PT has literally defined many conventions WL7 continues trying to buck.

Many great, powerful analysis tools are hindered by an inability to save/store/access reports in useful formats, or keep them around to compare with subsequent runs... many are just gui windows, so you need a pen and paper or a screencap util you can name to retain details. This is baffling to me, as it's a strong point of the app, and defeats the purpose of many measurements. It's as if someone just wanted to check off a "feature" for the marketing goons, with no intent or mechanism to use the feature in the real world.

As with any DAW many plugs don't work out of the box. What's different is attitude. As definer-of-VST, Steinberg's quick to blame plug makers for problems, even when the same plugs work in every other Steinberg app. That's generally fair enough, but frustrating when something you need falls off the wagon.

While some claim it's quasi-capable as a 2,3,4 point editor, I say not so much. You can certainly imitate those models, and duplicate the desirable aspects in WL ways, but it's going to take an extra click here and there (eg move between montages). But this isn't a real disadvantage. It's got some cool editing tools and modes that the 2/3/4 pointers lack... you can shuffle tracks very flexibly, insert and delete objects while keeping relative relationships intact. It's hard to explain until you try it, but once you get used to it's way of assembling albums, you find it a very powerful model. It's far easier to just cut a quick CD in WL7 than Soundblade. The trick is knowing which window to use to get that done!

Earlier Tom said it was the most intuitive program he'd ever used. Maybe V6, but V7 is most-hindered by it's lack of documentation. The pdf is just a text dump of the online help system, which itself is truly awful. Its content lacks any direct connection to the popsicle-stick explosion of gui windows - not even diagrams or figures to show you're in the right place! Sometimes it's terms don't match your available options - for instance, disc burning and ddp stuff is invisible in some window configurations it calls "workspaces". If you're not using "Ultimate" or something like that, many essential commands are entirely hidden! Nothing intuitive about that.  Equally counterintuitive, it doesn't use mac help conventions, instead "rolling it's own" utilities, making it that much harder to use than it needs to be. Worst of all it's web-based, and on mac's that can affect playback fidelity... iow if you're using help or have the help system active, you can't trust captures and real time processes. But given all the windows, you may not even know Help windows are open, once hidden by other parts of the gui. Uh oh.

That's a small matter, because I've not found it's "External Gear" master insert to be reliable enough to use in the background. Every test has failed - I get gaps in rendered files, drop outs etc. It simply doesn't work reliably enough to trust. I've found it better to playback a montage and capture in another app, than to trust real time "renders" of WL7. Soundblade's capture-in-place and capture to new tracks actually works in a single app, all the time no matter what's going on, so that's a better option over here. Logic and Reaper are fully capable of external gear insert, "render" or bounce, and capture as well. Buggy Audition beta can do it too.

On the plus side, I like the montage a lot. If you could insert external gear on "tracks" I'd probably get more serious about it, but I'm sure they'll fix this stuff. Many issues were fixed in the first upgrade, and on mac, it's still a 1.0, so patience is required. If you isolate the app's interface from the system, External Gear works well enough to do captures externally.  I love the analysis tools - when they have basic text output I'll love them more. And while the docs and Steiny's support are atrocious, the old WL6 manual is sufficiently well written and similar to learn the conventions and get things done in WL7. While you may not be able to get there, the support forum is well-manned by the program's author, so answers are available.

Bottom line: I've discovered no issues a diligent engineer cannot work around or sort out.  I can wait until the issues are fixed to get more serious about the app, and have faith it will improve. As a mac user, I'm thankful to have such a powerful option available to me. I have confidence it will get better and better, and as a 1.0 release on mac I find it an impressive start.

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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2011, 09:50:06 am »

I just bought the ASK Video WL7 tutorial. I haven't jumped in yet but it looks promising. I completely agree that WL7 seems to be a mess compared to WL6 and I really can't see moving to it any time soon, but maybe the tutorial will help me make the eventual switch.

EDIT: It reminds me a bit of when Sonic moved from Classic to HD. We all complained about all of the changes and the new learning curve. They said the changes were necessary, etc. So a lot of us did learn a new interface - but it wasn't Sonic! This could be the move that pushes me into a Sequoia system.


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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2011, 06:11:08 pm »

Thanks for the update gentlemen!
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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2011, 01:39:23 pm »

Incidently anyone yet tried a DDP creation in WL7 compared with DDP creator?

Is Wavelab easy or a pain, I am still meaning to get my DVD and learn it sometime but no chances yet.
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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2011, 08:53:01 pm »

just press the burn CD button and choose DDP output
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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2011, 09:50:55 pm »

Dave Davis wrote on Fri, 11 February 2011 14:09


Saves may or may not render, depending where you happen to be in the app (files may or may not render with save command, depending on settings; montages NEVER render on save, only on render).


curious why you would ever want a montage to render on save? that would be a nightmare of unnecessary files.

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That's a small matter, because I've not found it's "External Gear" master insert to be reliable enough to use in the background. Every test has failed - I get gaps in rendered files, drop outs etc. It simply doesn't work reliably enough to trust.


this has got to be a problem unique to WL7, as its always worked flawlessly for me in WL6. i just capture back to a new track in the montage, never had a single problem.

still haven't seen anything about WL7 that makes me want to upgrade from 6 though...
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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2011, 06:30:08 am »

Smooth, that sounds straight forward ; )
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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #72 on: February 20, 2011, 08:46:59 am »

SafeandSound wrote on Fri, 18 February 2011 18:39

Incidently anyone yet tried a DDP creation in WL7 compared with DDP creator?

Is Wavelab easy or a pain, I am still meaning to get my DVD and learn it sometime but no chances yet.

WL7 seems to put the ISRC codes in twice for each track, last time I tried it.
Not sure if this will cause problems at the plant?

Never had any problems using DDP Creator!
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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #73 on: February 20, 2011, 10:07:59 am »

Wavelab is cheap. It does a lot. It ever so slightly gives me a sensation of unreliablity at a stage where such feelings should have no place, I scrutinize every disk it makes, inside out.

Doubly so for a new version when I get round to it.

Thanks for the heads up.

Glad SADiE is here by my side.
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Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2011, 12:54:59 pm »

I used Wavelab 5 and then 6 for mastering. However once I purchased Samplitude 10, I liked it a lot better (once I learned it). I think part of the reason was the work flow is just like working in a normal DAW like Cubase, Sonar, or Logic. You have your mixer, and arranger page to work with. I found Samplitude for mastering very in depth and complicated. The manual was too simplistic and it did not explain clearly all the features that the program has. There is a guy though on the Samplitude web site that has created free tutorials that gave very clear explanation on how to use the program. Since then I can't think of using another program for mastering. I am so use to it, and I know how to work through it very nicely.

With that said, ever since I went to Windows 7 64 bit, my code meter for Samplitude does not work right. I always have to take the dongle out and back in again to open up Samplitude. In addition, their excellent Ammunition plug in froze on me the last time I worked with it. I clearly like Samplitude better than Wavelab 6. However after reading the review on Wavelab 7.    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec10/articles/wavelab-7.htm
I was amazed on how much they actually improved it. So for a $100 upgrade I decided to purchase it and give it a go.

Here a couple of highlights on Wavelab 7 review from Sound on Sound.
1. Windows Switcher, a small and resizeable floating window that remains visible at all times — even, by default, after switching to another application, although you can disable this if you wish — and which lets you leap straight into audio file editing, multitrack montage, batch-processing or podcasting duties.

2. here are also several dozen editing, viewing and analysis functions that you can now open in the new Tab area inside tabbed ‘tool windows’, covering such things as various metering alternatives, marker creation and editing, file browsing, error detection and correction, spectrum editing options and so on.  I always liked that Wavelab has an error detection, and it fixes these little clicks in recordings with a press of a button.

3. You can also create your own Tab Group arrangements by splitting an existing group, horizontally or vertically, using the icons in each workspace area.

4. the new ‘Position on screen’ option also helps to streamline your working methods by offering 25 predefined choices for each instance of the Wavelab 7 application, ranging from the ‘Full screen view’, to (for example) Wavelab occupying the top or left half of the screen, or the bottom right-hand quarter of the screen. This flexibility makes it very easy to create split-screen views with your sequencer application, Internet browser, or even tiling multiple instances of Wavelab 7 itself.

5. The Montage is also much more streamlined now, partly because of the new Workspace flexibility, but mainly because of the new ‘Focused clip’ menu: right-click anywhere over a montage clip and this new menu appears, displaying collapsible ‘accordion’ panes covering Edit, Cue Point, Envelope, Fade-in, Fade-out and Colour options. I found these much quicker to use than Wavelab 6’s floating nested menus, since you can always see all relevant parameters.

6. The Master Section  also sports some handy new additions. These include dedicated buttons to toggle individual plug-in windows between visible and invisible status, locking of individual plug-in slots so they ignore the bypass function and when loading new Master Section presets, and the ability to force the Master Section meters to display the output level at any stage of your plug-in chain (useful for detecting overloads and so on)

7. The smart bypass options that match in/out levels in various ways, so you can A/B with or without effects at the same subjective level, are now part of the Master Section itself, and this function cleverly defaults to the ‘A’ and ‘B’ keyboard shortcuts, so you can perform A/B tests without a second thought.

8. Its previous generic lower-quality options have now been abandoned in favour of the latest Dirac 2.2 algorithms, which offer various code enhancements, as well as additional options to modulate time-stretching and pitch formant-correction over time in a graphic window, and preserve formants when pitch quantising. For those working in more extreme audio editing environments — such as sound designers, who may routinely pitch-shift by several octaves to create special effects — these tools now also support sample rates up to a massive 384kHz, as does the Crystal Resampler tool.

9. The majority of the 30 new bundled VST3 plug-ins will already be familiar to Nuendo users, and many to Cubase users too. They include a very effective selection of EQs, single and multi-band compressors, chorus/delays, and special effects such as an Envelope Shaper and Octaver, plus tools to (for instance) mix down surround mixes to stereo. Of special note are Nuendo’s very flexible Post Filter, with its low/high cut and up to eight notch filters for cleaning up audio material, the four-band Multi-band Compressor and four-band parametric Studio EQ, and the versatile Roomworks reverb. In addition there are  Sonnox restoration plug-ins De-Noiser, De-Clicker and De-Buzzer.

10. Wavelab 7 features a completely rewritten burning engine designed for greater reliability, which for the first time allows you to burn an audio CD from an industry-standard DDP (Disc Description Protocol) image file, as well as offering DDP as an output format, for reliable error-protected transfer of files intended for optical disc duplication that can even be safely transmitted across an Internet link.

11. Multi Core improvements.

With so many improvements, it seemed quite silly not to check it out. With Montage you can put each song on a different track and add different effects to the separate tracks as well.
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