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h2o2

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Do you process to tape or not....
« on: March 07, 2010, 07:12:49 pm »

just mixed mine.
Very nice song and tracking.
I wonder if it was pre-mixed already?
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Re: IMP 24 BEGINS
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2010, 07:59:44 pm »

What do you mean by pre-mixed?

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Re: IMP 24 BEGINS
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2010, 09:29:47 pm »

any processing during recording EQ, Compressors, etc.
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Re: IMP 24 BEGINS
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2010, 09:26:50 am »

perhaps it is just very poor snare with no springs?
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Re: IMP 24 BEGINS
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2010, 12:55:46 pm »

Adding eq and compression at the recording stage is standard operating procedure and not would I refer to as pre-mixing.

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Re: IMP 24 BEGINS
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2010, 01:00:05 pm »

Finally! I've been wanting to do this for at least two years, but I alway manage to bumble into the forum and discover the latest IMP a week after the submission deadline.  Still, I've had fun mixing some of the past projects after the fact and contrasting them to the other public mixes.  Keep the IMP alive!!

After listening to 24's bundle, I definitely hear a lot of very un-subtle compression and gating on just about everything.  I'm guessing that some of the tracks have EQ printed as well, but I'm curious to find out for sure... I've never heard a raw kick with such a marked absence of 120Hz mung.

Thanks to everyone who makes this possible, I'm really looking forward to joining the submission discussion!
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Re: IMP 24 BEGINS
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2010, 03:10:24 pm »

mcsnare wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 11:55

Adding eq and compression at the recording stage is standard operating procedure and not would I refer to as pre-mixing.

Dave


Alright, Compression is often done at recording to save time.
I believe adding EQ at recording time, apart from EQ controls of guitar cab or lowcut is not that common practice however.
Regardless it is common or not, this pre-processing is detrimental to IMP idea.
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Re: IMP 24 BEGINS
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2010, 03:18:00 pm »

h2o2 wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 14:10

mcsnare wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 11:55

Adding eq and compression at the recording stage is standard operating procedure and not would I refer to as pre-mixing.

Dave


Alright, Compression is often done at recording to save time.
I believe adding EQ at recording time, apart from EQ controls of guitar cab or lowcut is not that common practice however.
Regardless it is common or not, this pre-processing is detrimental to IMP idea.


Common to EQ to tape over here.  

And I'm struggling with the idea that cutting EQ to tape is detrimental to this exercise.  Please explain.
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Re: IMP 24 BEGINS
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2010, 04:34:45 pm »

grantis wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 14:18

h2o2 wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 14:10

mcsnare wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 11:55

Adding eq and compression at the recording stage is standard operating procedure and not would I refer to as pre-mixing.

Dave


Alright, Compression is often done at recording to save time.
I believe adding EQ at recording time, apart from EQ controls of guitar cab or lowcut is not that common practice however.
Regardless it is common or not, this pre-processing is detrimental to IMP idea.


Common to EQ to tape over here.  

And I'm struggling with the idea that cutting EQ to tape is detrimental to this exercise.  Please explain.

In case of struggle it is good to ask yourself questions and develop logical thinking.
For example: why it is not allowed to submit early? which reason?

I believe non-destructive editing did bet destructive one?
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Re: IMP 24 BEGINS
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2010, 05:55:20 pm »

h2o2 wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 08:34

grantis wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 14:18

h2o2 wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 14:10

mcsnare wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 11:55

Adding eq and compression at the recording stage is standard operating procedure and not would I refer to as pre-mixing.

Dave


Alright, Compression is often done at recording to save time.
I believe adding EQ at recording time, apart from EQ controls of guitar cab or lowcut is not that common practice however.
Regardless it is common or not, this pre-processing is detrimental to IMP idea.


Common to EQ to tape over here.  

And I'm struggling with the idea that cutting EQ to tape is detrimental to this exercise.  Please explain.

In case of struggle it is good to ask yourself questions and develop logical thinking.
For example: why it is not allowed to submit early? which reason?

I believe non-destructive editing did bet destructive one?


One reason for not submitting mixes early is so that people aren't copying each others mixes.

Getting the sounds 'right' while recording, is definitely the ideal. Leaving decisions until the mix, is something to be avoided in general. Yes, it has become common practice to not eq and compress until the mix, but that's a recent trend and just makes it harder to get a great mix.

Having the sounds close to the way they'll be in the final mix, makes adding overdubs much easier, as you know right away if the new sound is working in the track.

I'm very grateful that I started recording on 4 and 8 tracks and spent the first 8 years professionally recording to 16 tracks.

I started with a fairly small number of quality mics, great monitors, decent desk, a pair of reverbs and delays and one dual channel compressor. You have to learn to get things right as you go. Lots of decisions to make like, which tracks get the compressors while tracking and which ones in the mix.
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Re: IMP 24 BEGINS
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2010, 07:13:09 pm »

anybody knows the tempo of this song? ...

regarding using EQ and compression to tape, am pretty much all for it. i mean why wouldn't you use what's available to you at your disposal in the studio especially if the band pays top $$$ to track in that studio? i'd definitely take advantage of all those high end outboard gears they have( EQ, compressors, Tape-mcahines etc.). i reckon if you do it right it will make mixing easier not to mention faster.  

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2010, 08:23:42 pm »

h2o2 wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 15:34

grantis wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 14:18

h2o2 wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 14:10

mcsnare wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 11:55

Adding eq and compression at the recording stage is standard operating procedure and not would I refer to as pre-mixing.

Dave


Alright, Compression is often done at recording to save time.
I believe adding EQ at recording time, apart from EQ controls of guitar cab or lowcut is not that common practice however.
Regardless it is common or not, this pre-processing is detrimental to IMP idea.


Common to EQ to tape over here.  

And I'm struggling with the idea that cutting EQ to tape is detrimental to this exercise.  Please explain.

In case of struggle it is good to ask yourself questions and develop logical thinking.
For example: why it is not allowed to submit early? which reason?

I believe non-destructive editing did bet destructive one?


You're right.  I'll develop logical thinking next time I struggle.
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Re: IMP 24 BEGINS
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2010, 09:45:59 pm »

I'm in this time around too. Missed the last one......

And pardon me for butting in, but i think the point of this is to mix what we are given, processed or not, and make the best of it, much as happens in the real world. We don't always get to track everything we mix, do we?

I'll have fun with it, at least.....
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2010, 12:24:22 am »

Gio wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 20:45

I'm in this time around too. Missed the last one......

And pardon me for butting in, but i think the point of this is to mix what we are given, processed or not, and make the best of it, much as happens in the real world. We don't always get to track everything we mix, do we?

I'll have fun with it, at least.....



Bingo!
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Re: IMP 24 BEGINS
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2010, 01:37:47 am »

h2o2 wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 12:10

mcsnare wrote on Mon, 08 March 2010 11:55

Adding eq and compression at the recording stage is standard operating procedure and not would I refer to as pre-mixing.

Dave


Alright, Compression is often done at recording to save time.
I believe adding EQ at recording time, apart from EQ controls of guitar cab or lowcut is not that common practice however.
Regardless it is common or not, this pre-processing is detrimental to IMP idea.


Actually, IMP has historically provided a range of projects of fairly disparate recording quality, and that blend is instructive in of itself.

Being able to identify a track that needs something, is just as important as identifying a track that needs nothing.
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