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[grantis]

I've recently found myself using BD to the same extent as Melodyne.  ALL THE TIME.

Anybody else using it frequently?  If not, why?

[Podgorny]

Sure.  But you knew that.
It's great for batch crossfades and mapping tempos.
And of course, I love me some Melodyne.

[NelsonL]

I needed to tighten things up on a home recordist project that I was mixing recently, in which the drums had been OD'd to a click. Elastic Audio worked out really well for me and, since I've never been especially swift with BD, it was much faster.

I do like using it for batch fades, but I need to re-train myself not to automatically highlight and command F after each edit, since it screws up the batch fade work flow.

More recently I've been making fairly subtle edits to a song that was cut to 2" with no click, and while time consuming, I like the challenge of fixing only those rushed or hesitant moments that take you out of the groove-- the result is appropriately 'human' sounding for the genre of music.

I find trying to detect the tempo on material like this is tough, I get sections that are up to 30 BPM apart according to BD, but sound much tighter to my ear. I don't have perfect meter, but I'm not that far off.

Probably user error, although I've gone through several tutorials on how to do it.

Most of the stuff I do with live drums has keeper basics, so I also feel like that makes BD less useful to me... anyone care to weigh in on that?

Do you guys just group everything and assume the drum edits will carry over musically to, for instance, bass and guitar?

Or are your pretty much always re-tracking to edited drums?

[Bill_Urick]

The batch fade function is often helpful.

Sometimes the beat alignment thing works, sometimes not so much.
I had very good luck with it once on a strummy mandolin part, of all things.

That same tune was deliberately cut with a very loose feel. Later I decided the choruses needed to be really locked down. So BD and a looped approach (drums) were just the ticket.

Fortunately everyone's time is usually pretty good, so that occasional manual nudging is sufficient.

[KB_S1]

NelsonL wrote on Tue, 09 February 2010 07:36

I find trying to detect the tempo on material like this is tough, I get sections that are up to 30 BPM apart according to BD, but sound much tighter to my ear. I don't have perfect meter, but I'm not that far off. Probably user error, although I've gone through several tutorials on how to do it.

Meter changes?
You need to enter that in or it does get confused.

[Daniel Farris]

NelsonL wrote on Mon, 08 February 2010 23:36

Or are your pretty much always re-tracking to edited drums?

Yes.

I don't use BD as a matter of course, but when I do, I don't group instruments with it, so yes, things get re-tracked over edited drums.

The exception would be when the drums are the last thing to go down, and all of the other instruments were done to the click or a loop. Then I just edit the drums and leave everything else alone. This happens surprisingly often on singer/songwriter projects.

DF

[j.hall]

batch fade is used OFTEN.  

i use it all the time for drums as well.  though i hardly ever use the "conform" feature.  i just separate regions and edit smoothing with it.

[NelsonL]

KB_S1 wrote on Tue, 09 February 2010 06:24

NelsonL wrote on Tue, 09 February 2010 07:36 I find trying to detect the tempo on material like this is tough, I get sections that are up to 30 BPM apart according to BD, but sound much tighter to my ear. I don't have perfect meter, but I'm not that far off. Probably user error, although I've gone through several tutorials on how to do it. Meter changes? You need to enter that in or it does get confused.

No not an intentional tempo or meter change, I do understand how to add those events to adjust the grid/click where required.

I should have used a more appropriate term, I didn't mean meter as in beats per measure, but rather my ability to detect fluctuations in the tempo. Poor choice of words on my part.

[grantis]

NelsonL wrote on Mon, 08 February 2010 23:36

Or are your pretty much always re-tracking to edited drums?

Yeah, that's the case over here.  It's rare that I use beat detective on a mix only project...that's not my "job".

Come to think of it, I never use the conform function of BD either.  I always just use the quantize function in the event operations window.  I've always had better luck with that.

Interestingly enough, I never use it for batch fades.  I'm gonna start doing that.

Elastic audio works OK, if you can get it to play nice with your cymbal decays.  

[meverylame]

Great for when your drummer can hit drums and cymbals at the same time. can be a real bit if not.

[KB_S1]

Liam,

I understood your point and worded my reply poorly.

I wasn't questioning what you meant, I was wondering if it was due to meter changes that the detection accuracy was unusual.
Just sounding out possibilities.

[NelsonL]

OK thanks Keith, certainly a worthy a suggestion.

I think the beat I'm remembering in particular was a shuffle, that may have had some part in the problem.

[grantis]

NelsonL wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 01:49

OK thanks Keith, certainly a worthy a suggestion. I think the beat I'm remembering in particular was a shuffle, that may have had some part in the problem.

Shuffles and swings are quite a challenge for me.  BD will put it on the grid just fine, but working out all cymbal flutters is a pain in my neck.  Anybody got any tricks for that?

[j.hall]

play it better.

[jc-muscleshoals]

BT sometimes. I love elastic audio. It has saved me a couple of times. I've used it on fingerstyle guitar to save an otherwise perfect performance.

[grantis]

j.hall wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 13:46

play it better.

Not all of us are pro drummers like you.

[j.hall]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

judging by the amount of blisters on my hands from the last session.......i'm no pro.

[NelsonL]

j.hall wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 11:46

play it better.

Always... but with out of town players and/or mix projects, sometimes that ship has flailed.

[grantis]

jc-muscleshoals wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 14:14

BT sometimes. I love elastic audio. It has saved me a couple of times. I've used it on fingerstyle guitar to save an otherwise perfect performance.

Yeah, I too have used EA on lots of stuff.  IMO though, it just can't hang with drums.  Very useful on almost anything else though.  Sometimes it gets weird with low end on bass if your analysis markers are in weird spots.

[Josh McArdle]

I sometimes use it to tighten up a bass part but normally I find elastic audio does it better. The warp view is a god send.

I haven't worked on a project yet where I've felt that the drummer was far enough off to need correction. Maybe the odd kick or snare hit, but nothing major...either I've been lucky or I have terrible meter...

[j.hall]

Josh McArdle wrote on Wed, 17 February 2010 00:26

I sometimes use it to tighten up a bass part but normally I find elastic audio does it better. The warp view is a god send. I haven't worked on a project yet where I've felt that the drummer was far enough off to need correction. Maybe the odd kick or snare hit, but nothing major...either I've been lucky or I have terrible meter...

keep it that way.  once you start "griding" drums, you'll become obsessed with it.

[grantis]

j.hall wrote on Wed, 17 February 2010 11:14

Josh McArdle wrote on Wed, 17 February 2010 00:26 I sometimes use it to tighten up a bass part but normally I find elastic audio does it better. The warp view is a god send. I haven't worked on a project yet where I've felt that the drummer was far enough off to need correction. Maybe the odd kick or snare hit, but nothing major...either I've been lucky or I have terrible meter... keep it that way.  once you start "griding" drums, you'll become obsessed with it.

Maybe that's because drums belong on the grid.

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