And what about HOMATHERM silentTop
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2010, 10:05:01 PM »
I have to agree with what's been said he so far: 1. Yes, you should (properly) float your room given your adjacency. 2. Proper floating floor isolation is not for the faint of heart!! Maybe you should get a consult from Thomas?? 3. Don't be looking at the residential sub floor products. They are really not applicable to low frequency isolation requirments in studio applications. They are more about Impact noise isolation.
Do it right the first time, or else skip it. Otherwise, it is a waste of money.
Cheers..FM
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 12:48:14 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2010, 08:41:05 PM »
Sorry, but most of this info is garbage. There is no information about engineering for load and deflection. This is the key to any decoupling system. You can't just put neoprene pads under the 2x4 sleepers and expect that you are "floated". It is actually possible that you can create a system with a high enough natural frequency that the transmission of certain low frequencies may be transmitted MORE than without this construction. Be careful. Look at information from Mason Industries. They have a fairly good tutorial available online geared towards architects, that explains the engineering required for proper structural decoupling. Check it out... http://www.mason-industries.com/masonind/private/ARCH/arch_m ain.cfm This is a much better primer than that SAE nonsense.... FM
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2010, 05:50:17 AM »
Thanks for this link fran I will add another link about it: http://www.earsc.com/HOME/engineering/TechnicalWhitePapers/V ibration/index.asp?SID=61 Another problem of woodflorrs are the static wight. Remember you need MASS for good isolation, and i am not sure if 2 layers of 16mm plywood will do the job. I used in my vocalbooth 2 layers of high compressed 38 mm HDF, which is realy heavy, and make the airgap realy big to bring the MAM reaonance as low as possible. YOu have not the celling hight for this option. MAM resonance is still not in a for music with much bass, needed area, but ok for vocal tracking since i cut anyway all under 80hz. For a control room this is not an option, so you need more mass, and bigger airgap. The decoupling is another story, where thomas or fran may can tell you more cheers constantin
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2010, 09:25:50 AM »
Hey! All those are excellent links! (well, not the SAE stuff indeed)Giving away the goooood stuff
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2010, 11:48:16 AM »
Thanx, for the links , so the basic idea is the same as with the shock-breakers in a car, if they are to stiff, they are not working. I'm thinking after looking at the pictures if it is even possible to do it (don't make the joke ha ha) in a room from 2.66m*3.8m*5.45m..... Fran and Thomas, did you ever designed a good sounding and isolated small room studio? Best regards
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2010, 09:58:55 PM »
Peter,
Of course it's possible. We do rooms that size all the time. We would not be using 250mm Floating Floor systems, but it is possible to get 'good' isolation. You have to work with what you have and what the site will support (what will fit) and then you (or the client) has to understand what performance to expect.!! That's the important part.
FM
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2010, 05:24:36 PM »
Thanks Fran,
Great to hear that it is possible to get a good room in my house. Do you have pictures of such rooms on your website? I only have seen big rooms on your site.
Best regards,
Peter
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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2010, 10:13:24 PM »
You would be surprised what a good wide-angle lens will do to a small room in photos... LOL.. I don't have a lot of photos of smaller project mostly because the owners aren't typically into paying for pro-photos on smaller project. I guess the Ezratty home studio is about 15'x18'x8' (same size range). Probably be surprised if I gave you the dimensions on the new Great City control room (which I won't)... not as large as the lens makes it look.
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2010, 03:43:51 PM »
I talked today with Thomas about the floating floor and to my regret a good floating floor is out of my league. I had no idea what the costs would be for such a construction. So now i'm standing on the ground again and thinking how to proceed with my room.
I know how to treat the room with bass traps, reflection free zone etc. But are there easy and cheaper solutions to disturb my neighbours as little as possible. Would a carpet floor help? Or such a thing as the poor man's floating floor as discussed on gearslutz...
Btw, Fran those wide-angle lens rule, i thought that the room was way bigger:-)
Best regards,
Peter
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