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bblackwood

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2004, 02:03:51 pm »

Lucey, though it may come as a surprise to you, not everything is about confrontation. I thought it was funny, as I've been curious for some time about what's in those boxes.

Let's limit the "this is what he's doing" to stuff you know, not stuff you are simply swinging blindly at.

Now back to your normal programming...
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2004, 02:20:28 pm »

I guess this begs the question Brad. How are they comparing with your loudspeakers before and after the removal of the zobel? One would think that a zobel being an LCR network...absent the L (which is effectively blocked by the internal crossover in the loudpeakers) would reek havok with the flow in the AC circuit because of inappropriate placement of said zobel.

What do the ears tell you? This is the acid test..as how circuits interact audibly is more meaningful than said therory and conjecture.
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2004, 03:04:56 pm »

Level wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 13:20


What do the ears tell you? This is the acid test..as how ciruits interact audibly is more meaningful than said therory and conjecture.


Thank You


(the fact is brothers of fact seeking that at the root of every joke lies a seed of truth. there is no innocent humor, it always has meaning on some level, intentional or not, self-aware or not.  And since the moderator didn't see the implied message he was sending, he was unable to diffuse the message with some real content.)


Back to the real content ... how does it SOUND before and after the overpriced parts were removed?
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2004, 03:14:50 pm »

lucey wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 12:47



Fact is that cynical humor is not that funny to me.




i wasn't being humorous
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2004, 03:38:18 pm »

lucey wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 14:04


(the fact is brothers of fact seeking that at the root of every joke lies a seed of truth. there is no innocent humor, it always has meaning on some level, intentional or not, self-aware or not.  And since the moderator didn't see the implied message he was sending, he was unable to diffuse the message with some real content.)



can i please tell you about my mother now Mr. Freud

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2004, 04:27:30 pm »

j.hall wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 14:38


can i please tell you about my mother now Mr. Freud



It's Dr. Freud to you


basically this thread started with a moderator being off key

and now another has joined in




please continue to blame me for pointing out all of this, until we can talk music again.
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2004, 04:32:10 pm »

sorry Dr.

let's free base some cocaine and forget about it.

didn't mean to type off key......just aptch in that "AutoType" plug-in and get me back on key.....
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2004, 04:34:32 pm »

Lucey, if you wish to discuss the cables, you are welcome to, but to continue to post things insinuating this whole thread is an elaborate attempt to undermine your argument for cable tone is ludicrous and more than a little arrogant...

I state again, I started this thread as I thought it more than a little humorous (if not sad) that people will spend that much dough for a simple $3 circuit that changes the speaker, from the amp's perspective. It has nothing to do with cable 'tone', just an interesting find.

For the last time - let's keep it on subject and off of conjecture.
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2004, 04:37:09 pm »

Level wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 13:20

What do the ears tell you? This is the acid test..

Not my cables, Bill, I've not heard them in my room, though I'd be stunned if adding an extra circuit into the monitor chain didn't alter the sound (pleasing or not)...

To explain - you're adding a circuit between the amplifier and speaker which is changing the signal. Whether one finds it pleasing (or even audible) or not is irrelevant, it is changing the signal...
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2004, 05:03:51 pm »

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bblackwood wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 15:34

Lucey, if you wish to discuss the cables, you are welcome to, but to continue to post things insinuating this whole thread is an elaborate attempt to undermine your argument for cable tone is ludicrous and more than a little arrogant...




not elaborate ... subtle

it's hardly 'my argument'  ... it's many people's experience.


heck i wish i was deaf to it, at this pont.

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I state again, I started this thread as I thought it more than a little humorous (if not sad) that people will spend that much dough for a simple $3 circuit that changes the speaker, from the amp's perspective. It has nothing to do with cable 'tone, just an interesting find.



fair enough, i'll take you at your word then.
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2004, 05:33:52 pm »

Piss and moan.

This is terribly simple:

A. Brad in humour, points out a few dollars worth of parts installed in a seemingly OEM type cable with a fancy plastic cover with what is considered a very very very high profit margin...so that folks can see first hand what they are *paying for*

B. I point out problems with zobels before the crossover, could be detrimental.

C. Some technical info ensues

D. None of us have heard the damn thing but the pictures speak for themselves.

E. I see no problem, no rebuttals or no more issues needed.

F. Pictures do not lie. Someone is making a lot of money...and the merits for single directional cable with an A/C circuit (or lack of) is icing on the cake.

G. It is a good post that opens ones eyes to some of the methods manufactures are using to reel in potential customers and gain superior profit margins.

H. LOL!!!!!!
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2004, 06:37:38 pm »

Level wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 16:33


D. None of us have heard the damn thing but the pictures speak for themselves.


huh? a picture has a sound?


Although I agree it's overpriced and silly
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2004, 06:56:19 pm »

FWIW, the capacitor is labeled "102J 630M" while the resistor is labeled "RN60D 26R7F", for those that are curious (I know it's difficult to see in the pics)...
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2004, 08:20:59 pm »

lucey wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 10:47


Who 'looked into it'?  And how exactly did you do that?





Uhh, I looked at his foolish, misleading claims?


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Lee is a cellist for your smart ass information, and he chose his profession, and enjoys it.  



Sounds like Lee and I have a lot in common, i'm a geetar player that also chose his profession.

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Get your facts straight, Mr. Facts and Figures.



Apologies if I'm confusing him with some other "cable designer"

And that's Mr. Listens Critically for a Living, to you.

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His cables are also not that expensive.  Not at cost.



Yes, I'm sure his cost is like a buck per foot.

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Nor are some of the cables form Cardas.



Cardas has a patent, you know.


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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2004, 08:38:34 pm »

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i'm a geetar player

Me too. Only around these parts, its called a guit-fiddle...
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