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j.hall

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higher sample rates
« on: October 26, 2009, 03:12:42 PM »

i'm starting to see quite a few projects at 88.2

wondering if i should grab another accel process card.  if the track count exceeds 48 i start having trouble.

mostly with RTAS plugs, but i can run a lot of stuff TDM and i can audio suite things if i start running out of power.

just wondering what a third card will do for me.  they cost about 1k, think it's worth it?

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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 10:03:39 PM »

If you have the slots for it, I think it's worth it... unless you read the "Digidone" thread over in Whatever Works and got a lump in your throat. I didn't.

I'd love to add a card, but thanks to my Mac Pro having only three slots, I have two HD cards and a UAD card, and I'm maxed out. I haven't investigated PCIe expansion options though.

I work almost entirely at 88.2 and I almost never run into a problem at mix time. But I do tend to print time-based effects, which means the vast majority of my plug-ins at mixdown are compressors and equalizers.

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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 10:58:33 PM »

The two HD cards and UAD card isn't a bad idea.  You could free up probably half of your one of your TDM cards' DSP by using dropping the TDM UAD plugs.

A lot cheaper too.....bout $150.
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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2009, 03:42:03 PM »

but will the UAD card handle everything i need.

there is rarely less then 10 1176se plugs and can be upwards of 20 or more depending on how many BGV's are delivered.

and i do use the 1176LN on the lead vocal which is a DSP hog.

at 88.2 i can't afford the chip for the LN.
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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2009, 03:43:07 PM »

hooray! for recording at high sample rates. (no comment at this time on the rest).

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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2009, 03:53:57 PM »

j.hall wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 12:42

but will the UAD card handle everything i need.

there is rarely less then 10 1176se plugs and can be upwards of 20 or more depending on how many BGV's are delivered.

and i do use the 1176LN on the lead vocal which is a DSP hog.

at 88.2 i can't afford the chip for the LN.


A UAD1 certainly wouldn't do it. You'd need one of the more robust UAD2 models, but yeah, you'd probably be fine.

The math is on their website. They have charts for instances and DSP usage for each card model.

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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2009, 03:59:06 PM »

Yes, a single UAD1 card will run 20 instances of the 1176se along with one instance of the LN.  I've done it.

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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2009, 04:05:28 PM »

If I did the math right from the uaudio.com charts.....20 instances of mono 1176se and 1 instance of mono 1176ln consumes 86% of a single UAD1 card.
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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2009, 04:15:47 PM »

Wow, I had no idea the 1176 plug-ins were so efficient comparatively. I'm usually using Fairchilds or some other hog, and often I can't get more than three or four instances of *anything* on an 88.2 session.

I may be headed back to my UAD 1176 plug-ins.

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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2009, 04:40:04 PM »

How lame is it that I use the UA Space Echo plug-in (which devours DSP) in spite of the fact that I actually have an RE301?

Lame! I have to stop.
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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2009, 05:30:08 PM »

"Instance counts shown are @44.1kHz".

Glad I added a disclaimer.....I suppose theoretically, that calculation of 86% usage could be exactly doubled for 88.2.

Dunno. Smile
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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2009, 06:47:27 PM »

j.hall wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 14:42

but will the UAD card handle everything i need.

there is rarely less then 10 1176se plugs and can be upwards of 20 or more depending on how many BGV's are delivered.



You put a separate compressor on each track of the background vocals?  Buss them all to one mono/stereo comp like in ye olden days.  There, I saved you a grand!
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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2009, 07:32:32 PM »

Daniel Farris wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 15:40

How lame is it that I use the UA Space Echo plug-in (which devours DSP) in spite of the fact that I actually have an RE301?

Lame! I have to stop.


Those plugs sound like the sum of their parts - EQ and limiting in the feedback stage doesn't a King Tubby album make.
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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2009, 12:59:03 AM »

cgc wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 18:32

Daniel Farris wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 15:40

How lame is it that I use the UA Space Echo plug-in (which devours DSP) in spite of the fact that I actually have an RE301?

Lame! I have to stop.


Those plugs sound like the sum of their parts - EQ and limiting in the feedback stage doesn't a King Tubby album make.


Ye olden days has quite a grip on ye???
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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 12:31:28 PM »

cgc wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 17:47

j.hall wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 14:42

but will the UAD card handle everything i need.

there is rarely less then 10 1176se plugs and can be upwards of 20 or more depending on how many BGV's are delivered.



You put a separate compressor on each track of the background vocals?  Buss them all to one mono/stereo comp like in ye olden days.  There, I saved you a grand!


and when 10 BGV's hit the buss at the same time, what happens to the comp that was seeing 1 or 2 hit it in the previous section?

i'm not about to spend 30 minutes automating the threshold (1176 would be input, i know) just save a few plugs.

i'll recoup that 1k faster by continuing to work the way i do.  30 minutes adds up quick.
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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2009, 08:56:12 PM »

With all the talk about new "something" coming from digi...blah...Avid, I'd wait it out.  Just suck it up until then.  Digital tech changes so fast, and you're so far behind (in tech terms), that it would be worth waiting for the next great thing, then investing in that for the next.....7 years or so.

If you have to get something to ease the pain....my vote would be a $150 UAD card instead of a $1000 Accel card.  That Accel card is going to lose a lot of value FAST, whereas the UAD card is nearly bottomed out.
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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2009, 12:20:53 AM »

grantis wrote on Thu, 29 October 2009 20:56

With all the talk about new "something" coming from digi...blah...Avid, I'd wait it out.  Just suck it up until then.  Digital tech changes so fast, and you're so far behind (in tech terms), that it would be worth waiting for the next great thing, then investing in that for the next.....7 years or so.

If you have to get something to ease the pain....my vote would be a $150 UAD card instead of a $1000 Accel card.  That Accel card is going to lose a lot of value FAST, whereas the UAD card is nearly bottomed out.



I agree with Grant, except I would say 7 MONTHS or so...
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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2009, 02:54:26 PM »

I just bought 3 UAD cards and a 7 slot magma chassis for 300 bucks. My computer is loving it.
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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2009, 04:48:13 PM »

Fibes wrote on Mon, 09 November 2009 13:54

I just bought 3 UAD cards and a 7 slot magma chassis for 300 bucks. My computer is loving it.


That's a steal!
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Re: higher sample rates
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2009, 12:04:22 PM »

Look on the UAD forum, there usually is one on there...
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