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Author Topic: how NOT to master a record: a cautionary tale  (Read 19394 times)

J.J. Blair

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Re: how NOT to master a record: a cautionary tale
« Reply #120 on: August 21, 2009, 05:08:59 PM »

Viitalahde wrote on Thu, 20 August 2009 23:57

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Any schematic I have for EQ uses capacitors and inductive coils, in conjunction with resistors.  I can't find a single resistor only EQ.  My understanding is that they work through frequency dependent phase shift, but not resistor induced current delay, if that is even possible.


A single resistor doesn't induce any delay (at least in the MHz range), but here's one very obscure filter that doesn't use any external capacitors or inductors.

   http://m.bareille.free.fr/modular1/vcf_polivoks/vcf_polivoks .htm

http://m.bareille.free.fr/modular1/vcf_polivoks/vcf_polivoks_sh0.gif

I believe it's the only example of such a design I've seen. Another "why would you do that" kind of a thing.


But you have two active components in this.  It's not resistor only.

BTW, Jeff ... I never said he didn't deserve his client list.  Also, me threatening to show you "widening where the sun don't shine" is obviously hyperbole, for comedic effect.  That anybody would think that I would physically threaten somebody, is ludicrous.  I play hockey every week with a guy who distorted a record of mine, and I've never once made him pay for it, even on the ice!
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dcollins

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Re: how NOT to master a record: a cautionary tale
« Reply #121 on: August 21, 2009, 07:00:20 PM »

J.J. Blair wrote on Fri, 21 August 2009 14:08


But you have two active components in this.  It's not resistor only.



But no caps or inductors; it's a weird circuit.

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I play hockey every week with a guy who distorted a record of mine, and I've never once made him pay for it, even on the ice!


Don't poison my sushi tonight.


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Re: how NOT to master a record: a cautionary tale
« Reply #122 on: October 18, 2009, 12:44:10 AM »

i needed to attend to some family business in august... not play hockey,
(or futz with my website). so how was the sushi?

and what probably has a tiny bit of crosstalk?

like it or not, a lot of analog gear performs that "stereo technique".

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Re: how NOT to master a record: a cautionary tale
« Reply #123 on: October 18, 2009, 05:44:39 AM »

Hey, it's this topic again. It inspired me to apply reverb on everything, but only after doing some parallel multiband M/S upward expansion. It just doesn't work the other way!
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Re: how NOT to master a record: a cautionary tale
« Reply #124 on: October 18, 2009, 03:41:04 PM »

Viitalahde wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 02:44

Hey, it's this topic again. It inspired me to apply reverb on everything, but only after doing some parallel multiband M/S upward expansion. It just doesn't work the other way!


So something good did come from the thread, after all.



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Re: how NOT to master a record: a cautionary tale
« Reply #125 on: October 18, 2009, 04:55:05 PM »

so the sushi was just ok then?  some say it's best to eat raw fish
during months with an "r" ... i hope that no one got ill.

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Re: how NOT to master a record: a cautionary tale
« Reply #126 on: October 18, 2009, 05:45:59 PM »

cerberus wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 13:55

so the sushi was just ok then?  some say it's best to eat raw fish
during months with an "r" ... i hope that no one got ill.



I think the sushi place was closed that night and we had Thai instead.

I've never gotten ill from sushi.  Only from cooked food.



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Re: how NOT to master a record: a cautionary tale
« Reply #127 on: October 18, 2009, 07:42:10 PM »

dcollins wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 16:45



I've never gotten ill from sushi.  Only from cooked food.



DC



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Re: how NOT to master a record: a cautionary tale
« Reply #128 on: October 19, 2009, 10:58:17 AM »

Viitalahde wrote on Fri, 21 August 2009 02:57

A single resistor doesn't induce any delay (at least in the MHz range), but here's one very obscure filter that doesn't use any external capacitors or inductors.
http://m.bareille.free.fr/modular1/vcf_polivoks/vcf_polivoks_sh0.gif


I believe it's the only example of such a design I've seen. Another "why would you do that" kind of a thing.


Indeed... This filter relies on current starving a programmable power opamp and thereby manipulating the GBP of the amplifier.

I'm a bit late to this thread and It's now quite fragmented, but I'l try to answer and comment to the various points presented (in no particular order):

Yes, I had a similar experience, will also track them down. Wuh'evuh....  Bler. People, people! Ugh.. no! Indeed. Not without asking. Bler.. Dogma... No shit!!! Why would they?  Right On, D McS!!  Yep. Yep. Hearsay... Yeah, really? What are you TRYING to say.  Really? OK.  No.Not gear, people. Not people, relationships.  etc etc etc...
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