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Alécio Costa - Brazil

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New Waves Mastering Bundle
« on: August 04, 2009, 10:13:13 PM »

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Re: New Waves Mastering Bundle
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2009, 10:43:19 PM »

The fact that you can now unlink the plugin L2 like the hardware always could is a definite plus.  The L3 is a mediocre at best sounding limiter that's difficult to tweak and gives you enough rope with its controls to hang yourself easily.  Adding more crossovers to it did not make the later versions any better by any means.  

The virtual Dorrough meters are nice but there are less expensive digital options that have the same functionality and I kind of prefer real hardware for VU's anyway.  The LPEQ and LPMB were definitely innovative for when they were introduced but I think there's definitly better sounding options to these out now.  I haven't heard the Puig EQ's, or the "Center" and "Maxx Volume" plugs yet so can't say how good these are - but a digital emulation of a Pultec is usually the last thing I would think of ever using across the 2-bus.  

Finally - Waves' "support" policies plain old blow chunks.  
$2200 for a bundle of native plugins?  From Waves?  No thanks.  

ymmv.  But it shouldn't.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

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Re: New Waves Mastering Bundle
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2009, 07:22:53 PM »

hey guys.... as many of you know, i use a handful of waves plug-ins for mastering...
and i also use izotope rx (standalone) and now paul frindle's dsm... and that is it!

so which plug-ins from this bundle would i recommend?

Maxx-volume : multi-stage dynamics... it's very good at increasing rms level,
i'd describe the character as mostly "tone neutral", but aggressive. i have
used it in the past year. all time parameters (e,g, attack) are on
autopilot, here we can only set thresholds and makeup; so
maxx-volume offers less control precision than separate
devices would, but really fast and easy to work with.

Puig-tec eqp-1a :   strong flavor. i use it in parallel with an
unprocessed signal, and mix in a very small amount. the
purpose of course, is to make distortion. it is not
an "equalizer".

Puig-tec meq-5 : emulation of a "midrange" pultec.
i have not found a use for it in mastering.

Dorrough meters :  the ballistics seem to be well sorted, they work as designed.
i look at them from time to time...

Waves center :  this is based on waves' surround technology. i feel that the
algorithm induces too many side effects for me. i prefer waves' strict
m-s tools (s1 imager, etc… which are not in this bundle ).

L3-16  :  it trades some flexibility for an eq... it can get fast results, or not.
i have moved away from the idea that a brickwall limiter should
color the sound, or perform much color correction, and it
is very processor heavy. since i always monitor through
a brickwall, for safety as well as sonic reasons: this
device is not appropriate for my workflow.

L3 -  i have used the multi version... as i mentioned above, i don't want
to do tone shaping on a brickwall, i want it to -not- affect
tone, so i don't use it. also i need floating point
output without a bit depth change. the
brickwall for me is -not- the final
process, (i need to do a sample
rate conversion unless the client
wants 96khz (never!), src for
me (and most software src)  
is a floating point process.

L3-LL - swaps out the linear phase crossovers for minimum-phase ones,
imo, the effect is o.t.t. for mastering, imo,  mix engineers might
find it helpful for snare or bass drums that are hard to tame,

L2 - you know... now with mono instances as well as stereo, as steve has mentioned.
(iirc, the hardware version has dual mono capacity.)

Linear phase eq - i am not into equalizers lately. it can sound good,
but the control resolution (especially the limited frequency
choices) needs to be more precise. 24 bit output only.

Linear phase multiband  - i've gotten great results from it in the past,
but at least for the time being, i am not using any multiband
dynamics that employ crossovers. i really do like it's
flexibility (it has a knee control, for example), and
can be very effective, e.g. as a de-esser.


--- regarding the price !

algorithmix sells single plug-ins
for thousands of dollars;
so in perspective...
my advice would
be:

buy only what you need.

(i would not want to master without waves' s1 ms-matrix, for example, it is simple
and inexpensive (anyone can do the same process on a mixing board); but for
some reason (?!), i find that other m-s  encoder/decoder plug-ins
can't seem to produce clean results!)

jeff dinces
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